Can I trust in the cross section?

Asked by Liucheng Wang

Hello,

Before asking this question, I have read the answer of the existing question (https://answers.launchpad.net/mg5amcnlo/+question/255057).
I am not sure whether my case is also caused by the efficiency of generating events in the case of VBF.

I am using the updated version MG5_v2.2.2.
My question can be simplified as two processes:

1) generate ve b > e- w+ b , standard model, tree level, 10000 events, default settings of all parameters except PDF=0 for two initial states:
                      0 = lpp1 ! beam 1 type
                      0 = lpp2 ! beam 2 type
               6500 = ebeam1 ! beam 1 total energy in GeV
               6500 = ebeam2 ! beam 2 total energy in GeV
The result is : Cross-section : 10.3 +- 0.4252 pb
                           Nb of events : 438

2) generate ve d > e- w+ d , standard model, tree level, 10000 events, default settings of all parameters except PDF=0 for two initial states:
                     0 = lpp1 ! beam 1 type
                     0 = lpp2 ! beam 2 type
              6500 = ebeam1 ! beam 1 total energy in GeV
              6500 = ebeam2 ! beam 2 total energy in GeV
The result is : Cross-section : 0.09554 +- 0.0002541 pb
                          Nb of events : 10000

You can see that I only got 438 events in the first process.
Do you think the cross-section 10.3 pb is physical and I can trust in it ?
Compared to the second process, the cross-section 10.3 pb looks weird to me.

Thank you.

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Olivier Mattelaer (olivier-mattelaer) said :
#1

Hi,

The difference between the two process is that in the second case, you have cut in the final state and not in the first case.
You might have a soft singularity in the first case which is not suppress by your cut.

Cheers,

Olivier

On 07 Jan 2015, at 08:11, Liucheng Wang <email address hidden> wrote:

> New question #260269 on MadGraph5_aMC@NLO:
> https://answers.launchpad.net/mg5amcnlo/+question/260269
>
> Hello,
>
> Before asking this question, I have read the answer of the existing question (https://answers.launchpad.net/mg5amcnlo/+question/255057).
> I am not sure whether my case is also caused by the efficiency of generating events in the case of VBF.
>
> I am using the updated version MG5_v2.2.2.
> My question can be simplified as two processes:
>
> 1) generate ve b > e- w+ b , standard model, tree level, 10000 events, default settings of all parameters except PDF=0 for two initial states:
> 0 = lpp1 ! beam 1 type
> 0 = lpp2 ! beam 2 type
> 6500 = ebeam1 ! beam 1 total energy in GeV
> 6500 = ebeam2 ! beam 2 total energy in GeV
> The result is : Cross-section : 10.3 +- 0.4252 pb
> Nb of events : 438
>
> 2) generate ve d > e- w+ d , standard model, tree level, 10000 events, default settings of all parameters except PDF=0 for two initial states:
> 0 = lpp1 ! beam 1 type
> 0 = lpp2 ! beam 2 type
> 6500 = ebeam1 ! beam 1 total energy in GeV
> 6500 = ebeam2 ! beam 2 total energy in GeV
> The result is : Cross-section : 0.09554 +- 0.0002541 pb
> Nb of events : 10000
>
> You can see that I only got 438 events in the first process.
> Do you think the cross-section 10.3 pb is physical and I can trust in it ?
> Compared to the second process, the cross-section 10.3 pb looks weird to me.
>
> Thank you.
>
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Liucheng Wang (liuchengwang) said :
#2

Hi Olivier,

Your suggestion is very useful.
Thank you.