X Server problem with refresh rates

I am also having this same problem.

42? :-)

You might want explain your question in a more detailed way, as I'm unable to understand your problem.

Ok, for me what happens is I am trying to install Ubuntu 7.04. When I boot it from the install disk that I burned(downloaded from your site), it starts starting up stuff, then all of the sudden a screen will pop up (blue screen type thing):

"Failed to start the X Server
It is likely that it was not set up correctly"

Here is some other stuff that I read when looking at the details of it(I'm not sure what is relevant or not since I am a complete newbie at linux!)
VESA: No matching mode
Screens found but none have a usable configuration
Fatal Server Error: No screens found

Thank you in advance and I'll be looking forward to your response :)

ngl, it would be better if you start a new question. This is not a forum, but a support site.
Anyhow, you can start by looking at this page:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingXAutoconfiguration

And please let us know what video card you have.

After going through the install proceeder's and finishing up with no x server etc. etc - I am left with a black screen and flashing curser in the top left hand corner - I have imputed all of the various suggested command lines in Launchpad questions/answers over the last few weeks but nothing happens.
The commands are not recognized (or do not get through) .......does that help any?

have you tried booting into the non-graphical installation from the live cd

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Yes - no joy!

John

Debugging driver errors on the Live CD is quite unconfortable. So I'd recommend you download the Feisty Fawn Alternate Install CD. Just go to "http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download" and click "Check here if you need the alternate desktop CD".

If the problem still exists after a successfull installation, we're quite happy to assist you with more information requests and hints.

Did you get my last message?

By the looks of it no!

Feisty has a different problem that it goes through the install procedure and stops with the message of NO SIGNAL just after the kernel has been opened. My own feeling is that there is a problem with my machine but for the life of me everything works with MS an I don't understand it

Regards
John

John,

while I understand your frustration and unhappyness, don't you think that some cooperation from your side would be helpfull for the guys that spend their spare time and resources to try helping others with their problems?

Please take the time to write down exactly what is your problem. You know your hardware and what you did, these guys don't.

Cesare

Not sure I can be more explicit but here goes

6.10

Run disc (Official one - not down load) after re booting windows system

Offered choice to install etc - hit install button
kernel decompresses, kernel opens ( top right of screen)
message that X Server not the right one etc, etc
look at all information confirming ATI card is correct in all respects
nothing appears to be incorrect on this screen
Exit X server information which closes GDU
I finish up with a black screen and a flashing cursor (top right) which can not communicate with the Ubuntu disc

7.04

Same as above except after kernel opens a no signal received banner appears and I cant key to the disc

JohnCesare

Not sure I can be more explicit but here goes

6.10

Run disc (Official one - not down load) after re booting windows system

Offered choice to install etc - hit install button
kernel decompresses, kernel opens ( top right of screen)
message that X Server not the right one etc, etc
look at all information confirming ATI card is correct in all respects
nothing appears to be incorrect on this screen
Exit X server information which closes GDU
I finish up with a black screen and a flashing cursor (top right) which can not communicate with the Ubuntu disc

7.04

Same as above except after kernel opens a no signal received banner appears and I cant key to the disc

John

Thanks for the additional info John.
On what machine (CPU, video card, monitor, etc.) are you trying to install Ubuntu?

>message that X Server not the right one

Usually error messages are more verbose. It would help to have the precise error message. It should also offer you to see the content of your Xorg.0.log file, which can be valuable to understand what went wrong.
Please check it and make note of all lines beginning with a (WW) or (EE).

>no signal received banner

This doesn't seem to be a message coming from the installer. It appears to be a monitor message. Can you check if this same signal appears in WInXP if you disconnect the video cable?

As Markus suggested, it is very difficult to debug problems with the Live CD. It would be much better if you can download and install from the Alternate CD. This is based on a text driven installer and is much more robust to this type of problems.
After the installation you will likely suffer from the same problem, but it will be much easier for us to support you in its resolution.

It's not my time for installing Ubuntu I ditched my old machine and acquired a new HP7750 with Vista pre-installed (Home Premium) Intel dual processor - Windows installed like a dream with all the bells & whistles. It took its time but went through it's routines like a good one - I down loaded 7.04 and for good measure downloaded the Text version just to be on the safe side.

The text version installed with no apparant problems everything went at high speed and GRUB 1.5 was sitting there showing Windows & Ubuntu BUT Vista boots with no problem however 7.04 starts but all i get is a black screen with a blue message saying "signal out of reach"

Any ideas

John

Yes,

we need to set the right refresh rates in your xorg.conf file.
Can you find them in the docs which came with the PC? We need both the horizontal and vertical sync rates.
Horizontal is usually some tens KHz while vertical is usually in the range 30-100 Hz

The 'Signal out of reach' error is similar to something I had recently,
is the blue message coming from the monitor itself. If so then it is
almost identical.

Cesare is correct. It is to do with the frequency and resolution range of the monitor

Hi Guys

Thanks info
- I have a Toshiba 20WLT56B LCD Integrated Digital TV monitor which is set at 1360 H and 768 V ( H 47.6 kHz & V60 Hz) this info taken from manual can be adjusted but only by slide bars from monitor remote control - can not be changed from CPU system as far as I can see.

Can not find xorg.conf Vista hides it well

When 7.04 was first installed the opening screen was there in full colour so the monitor could see the signal then.. getting a bit lost now.

More help would be appreciated

John

OK,

lets try this. Boot in recovery/safe mode (its one of the options on the boot menu).
Once you boot you will be sitting in fron of a console, with a prompt.
Type this command at the prompt:

sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf

Now add these lines in your "Monitor" section:

   HorizSync 30-69
   VertRefresh 50-75

Check also that in your "Screen" section there is a line in the subsection "Display" with a Depth of 24 and at least these Modes "1360x768" "1024x768" "800x600"

Save the file and reboot normally.

If you need help on how to use nano please type this command:

man nano (go up and down with PgUP/PgDwn or arrow keys, exit with q).

Thanks but how do I print out the man nano instructions

How do I save the changes I make in the monitor section

Sorry but EXACT key strokes

Its like going back to school again and thats after 70 years!!

John

I have made the changes you specified and managed to save them ( I think!!)
Things have changed not in the way I had hoped but its some progress - when Ubuntu loads for a brief second you see what I assume is the colorful opening screen trying to load BEFORE the signal out of range message appears.

If you then press the enter key we now get the X Server can't open screen again if you read all the script it lines up correctly with everything I think I have done to date

John

You can make changes by just moving the cursor to the place and making the changes.

To save use ctrl-x and it will ask you if you really want to do it and you say 'y' for yes.

Here is the manual in form of a webpage http://www.nano-editor.org/dist/v2.0/nano.html to print out

Forget about physical exercises, pills and whatnot, there is nothing like computers to keep you joung...

You may also have to add this line to your device section:

Options "DDC" "false"

Ralph

Are you sure the link is correct looks a bit medical to me?

John

Looks good to me !?

Well chaps I've put in the Options "DDC" "false" bit which has made no difference.
However I might have made a "cods" of imputing the characters and moved ( shuffled) stuff around a little - it looks OK but my short term memory not what it used to be!
Thats the problem of not being joung any more (I think you mean young unless it's a geeky word).
Anyway we have perhaps gone three steps forward and two back, so what do I do now?

I printed out nano manual .... thanks

John

Sorry "cods" means messed it up (incorrectly imputed)

Will keep to the Queens English in the future!

John (Oxford UK)

No, joung its a John-young (actually, its a Dutch-ism ....).

The only way we can help you any further is to have a look at the file ourselves.
Do you have a fat32 partition that you can access from linux?
If so, copy the file there and then paste it here through windows.

For instance, if your fat32 partition is hdb1 you can copy it with this command:

cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /media/hdb1/.

If the same partition is, for example, D:\ in windows, then you will find it there from windows.

If you don't know what fat32 is, than I don't think you have a fat32 partition.

In that case you may want to do it with a floppy/usb key.

Cesare

Lets try with floppy and or USB key
Sorry but talk me trough it

John

1) Insert your windows formatted floppy in the floppy reader
2) Type this command: sudo mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0
3) Give your password
4) Type this other command: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /media/floppy0/.
5) When the copy is finished type this command: sudo shutdown -r now
6) During post (power on self test) remove floppy (unless boot is disabled from floppy in bios)
7) Once in windows copy the content of the file A:\xorg.conf and paste here

Be careful, at the end of the command in 4) there is a . (<-dot)

PS. It could be a good idea to have a look at this page: http://www.linux.org/lessons/beginner/
Some things are a bit outdated and some are not applicable to Ubuntu but it could be a good starting point to learn more about Linux.

Does not recognize mount point and if one continue says the file specified does not exist

John

Try with /media/floppy instead of /media/floppy0 and/or tell me the output of this command:

ls -l /media

root@ubuntu:~# ls -l /media total 8 lrwxrwxrwx root root 6 may 19 14:45 cdrom->cdrom0 drwxr-x--x 2 root root 4096 may 19 14:45 cdrom0-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3774 may 21 18:00 xorg.conf

Above done in recovery mode

The other idea didn't work

How can i copy from the Dos9(Ubuntu) screen?

John

Wait a second. Are you booting from the Live CD!?

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No - its all off the HD - I did a complete install from the
ALTERNATIVE download

John

Cesar

The text version installed with no apparent problems everything went at high speed and GRUB 1.5 was sitting there showing Windows & Ubuntu BUT Vista boots with no problem .... 7.04 starts but all i get is a black screen with a blue message saying "signal out of reach" --------------this all from an earlier message

Are we talking a crossed purposes ?

John

The problem is that this is TOTALLY wrong:

ls -l /media
total 8
lrwxrwxrwx root root 6 may 19 14:45 cdrom->cdrom0
drwxr-x--x 2 root root 4096 may 19 14:45 cdrom0
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3774 may 21 18:00 xorg.conf

It shows that you don't even have an FD or HD in your system ...
Can you tell me what is the output of these commands:

sudo fdisk -l
cat /etc/fstab

First bit first
disc/dev/sda 250.0gb 250059350016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sections/track 30401 cylinders
units = cylinders of 16065*512=822250 bytes
DEVICE BOOT Start End Block ID system
/dev/sda1* 1 15915 1278206 7 HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda2 29753 30401 5208840 7 HPSF/NTFS
PARTITION 2 Does not end on cylinder boundary
/dev/sda3 15916 29185 106591275 83 Linux
/dev/sda4 29186 29752 4554427+ 5 extended
/dev/sda5 29186 29752 4554427 82Linux Swap/Solaris

Partition table entries not in disc order

I'll do the other bit in a while

Does any of this make sense?

John

This is the last bit

#/etc/fstab:Static file systen info

# <file System> <Mount Point> <Type> <Options> <done>
          Proc /proc proc Default 0

#/dev/sda3 uuid=961babbb9-f004-41d1-87fa-609310be117/ext3 default/error s=remount-ro 0 1

#/dev/sda5 / uu1d=7c7a67af-ee72-4780-b144-606446 fcfca none swap sw oo
#/dev/sda0 /media cdromo udf, iso966 user,mount 00

Cant swear that its 100%

John

Would it be useful to re-install 7.04 or would just compound the problems?

John

Cesare Tirabassi

Is there anything I can do at my end other than bite my finger nails

John

I need to know what is your video card. If you don't know, type this commmand once logged in your recovery session and give me the output:

lspci

Thanks.

Once I get this, I will paste here a copy of my xorg.conf file, with modifications suitable for your usage. Print this, boot back again into recovery mode, open your xorg.conf file (sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf), compare it with mine, make changes if necessary, save and try booting again (this time in a normal session).

Pay particular attention to the format. Each Section must finish with an EndSection, each SubSection with an End SubSection. Don't worry too much about the Files, Module and InputDevice sections for the time being.

Taken from Vista

Video Card
Intel Corp
Intel(R)GMA950
224.00 mb
Intel video Bios
c\windows\system32\drivers\IGDKMD 32.sys
7.14.10.114, 11-6-2006

lspsi is just too fast and disappears off the top of the screen before I can stop it

Regards (Sorry to be a pest[ insect]) John

ps I go back to the asylum tomorrow!

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> Cesare Tirabassi requested for more information:
> I need to know what is your video card. If you don't know, type this
> commmand once logged in your recovery session and give me the output:
>
> lspci
>
> Thanks.
>
> Once I get this, I will paste here a copy of my xorg.conf file, with
> modifications suitable for your usage. Print this, boot back again into
> recovery mode, open your xorg.conf file (sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf),
> compare it with mine, make changes if necessary, save and try booting
> again (this time in a normal session).
>
> Pay particular attention to the format. Each Section must finish with an
> EndSection, each SubSection with an End SubSection. Don't worry too
> much about the Files, Module and InputDevice sections for the time
> being.
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Taken from Vista

Video Card
Intel Corp
Intel(R)GMA950
224.00 mb
Intel video Bios
c\windows\system32\drivers\IGDKMD 32.sys
7.14.10.114, 11-6-2006

lspsi is just too fast and disappears off the top of the screen before I
can stop it

Regards (Sorry to be a pest[ insect]) John

ps I go bato the asylum tomorrow!

I really need the output from lspci. Try with these commands:

lspci > lspci.out
nano lspci.out

Make a note of the video card. To give you an idea of what to look for, here is mine:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc R420 JP [Radeon X800XT]
01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc R420 [X800XT-PE] (Secondary)

I really need the complete line(s).

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> lspci > lspci.out
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>
> Make a note of the video card. To give you an idea of what to look for,
> here is mine:
>
> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc R420 JP [Radeon X800XT]
> 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc R420 [X800XT-PE] (Secondary)
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The ONLY line that matches is

00:02.0 VGA compatible controller:Intel Corp Mobile 945GM/6MS/940GML Ex$

NO mention Display controller

There are 15 lines in total - show me how to put on floppy or USB key
and i will send it to you

Everything was pre installed on this HP computer just switch on and the
lot boots

John

# /etc/X11/xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file)
#
# This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
# values from the debconf database.
#
# Edit this file with caution, and see the /etc/X11/xorg.conf manual page.
# (Type "man /etc/X11/xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)
#
# This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only*
# if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg
# package.
#
# If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
# again, run the following command:
# sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg

Section "Files"
 FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc"
 FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic"
 FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled"
 FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled"
 FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1"
 FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi"
 FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi"
 # path to defoma fonts
 FontPath "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"
EndSection

Section "Module"
 Load "bitmap"
 Load "dri"
 Load "extmod"
 Load "freetype"
 Load "glx"
 Load "vbe"
 Load "dbe"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
 Identifier "Generic Keyboard"
 Driver "kbd"
 Option "CoreKeyboard"
 Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
 Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
 Option "XkbLayout" "us"
 Option "XkbVariant" "alt-intl"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
 Identifier "Configured Mouse"
 Driver "mouse"
 Option "CorePointer"
 Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
 Option "Protocol" "ExplorerPS/2"
 Option "Buttons" "7"
 Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
 Option "ButtonMapping" "1 2 3 6 7"
 Option "Emulate3Buttons" "false"
EndSection

Section "Device"
 Identifier "Intel Corp Mobile 945GM/6MS/940GML"
 Driver "intel"
 BusID "PCI:0:2:0"
        Options "DDC" "false"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
 Identifier "Generic Monitor"
 Option "DPMS"
 HorizSync 30-69
 VertRefresh 50-75

EndSection

Section "Screen"
 Identifier "Default Screen"
 Device "Intel Corp Mobile 945GM/6MS/940GML"
 Monitor "Generic Monitor"
 DefaultDepth 24
 SubSection "Display"
  Depth 24
  Modes "1360x768" "1024x768" "800x600"
 EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "ServerLayout"
 Identifier "Default Layout"
 Screen "Default Screen"
 InputDevice "Generic Keyboard"
 InputDevice "Configured Mouse"
EndSection

Section "DRI"
 Mode 0666
EndSection

Cesare

Sorry it didn't work

John

Same issue or a different problem?

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As far as I can see there is no difference - Signal out of range

John

Just as a point of interest where are you based? :-)

About 2000 km from you :-)
I know what you mean, its so frustrating. I spent about an hour with my mother on the phone yesterday (73) trying to solve her Outlook problem.
If I could get my dirty hands on your computers I would solve your problems in 5 minutes (each :-)).

The only thing I can propose you is to install this program in your Windows partition:

http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/ext2fsd/Ext2Fsd-0.31a.exe?download

This will allow you to read and write to your Linux disk from Windows. If you manage to install this, you can use this to send me your file, I edit it, send it back to you and then you copy it back to Linux.

Unfortunately you have Vista which will not allow you to install uncertified software, so it can be tricky for you to install it.
Here I can't help you, I don't have Vista and I don't want to touch it ever if I can.
These are the instructions you have to follow:

1, Press F8 when booting vista, and select "disable driver
     signature checking", this way works if you want only to
      try ext2fsd once, you also need remove it after usage.

 2, The other way is to use it in test mode:
     (Run as Administrator to do the followings)
     2.1, adding the Ext2Fsd.cer to system
            certmgr.exe /add Ext2Fsd.cer /s /r localMachine root
            certmgr.exe /add Ext2Fsd.cer /s /r localMachine trustedpublisher
     2.2, enable test signing:
            bcdedit.exe /set TESTSIGNING ON
     2.3, install the driver package
            run setup.bat or ext2fsd install package

You are on your own here John good luck .....

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>
> Status: Open => Answered
>
> Cesare Tirabassi proposed the following answer:
> About 2000 km from you :-)
Where is 2000km?
>
> I know what you mean, its so frustrating. I spent about an hour with my mother on the phone yesterday (73) trying to solve her Outlook problem.
> If I could get my dirty hands on your computers I would solve your problems in 5 minutes (each :-)).
>
> The only thing I can propose you is to install this program in your
> Windows partition:
>
> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/ext2fsd/Ext2Fsd-0.31a.exe?download
>
> This will allow you to read and write to your Linux disk from Windows.
> If you manage to install this, you can use this to send me your file, I
> edit it, send it back to you and then you copy it back to Linux.
>
> Unfortunately you have Vista which will not allow you to install uncertified software, so it can be tricky for you to install it.
> Here I can't help you, I don't have Vista and I don't want to touch it ever if I can.
> These are the instructions you have to follow:
>
> 1, Press F8 when booting vista, and select "disable driver
> signature checking", this way works if you want only to
> try ext2fsd once, you also need remove it after usage.
>
What do you mean by ONCE that sounds a bit terminal!
between boots.............. and what happens if I mess it up (get it wrong)?
>
> 2, The other way is to use it in test mode:
> (Run as Administrator to do the followings)
> 2.1, adding the Ext2Fsd.cer to system
> certmgr.exe /add Ext2Fsd.cer /s /r localMachine root
> certmgr.exe /add Ext2Fsd.cer /s /r localMachine trustedpublisher
> 2.2, enable test signing:
> bcdedit.exe /set TESTSIGNING ON
> 2.3, install the driver package
> run setup.bat or ext2fsd install package
>
> You are on your own here John good luck .....
>
Is there no way I can copy the xorg file (or anything else) on to a
floppy (or CD) from the dos command line in recovery mode - it cant be
that inflexible
The thing that terrifies me is losing the ability of sending/receiving
emails and being lost in cyberspace without a paddle!

John
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Tell you what, Oxford is not that far away from the Hampshire county (at least its the same region ....), so, why not contacting these guys:

http://hants.lug.org.uk

They seems to be a quite active and helpfull bunch. Our Alan Pope is an administrator there, they should be able to help you or at least refer you to a local Oxford group where you can find an hands-on support.

For more info about LUG:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_user_group
http://www.lug.org.uk/

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>
> Status: Open => Answered
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> Cesare Tirabassi proposed the following answer:
> Tell you what, Oxford is not that far away from the Hampshire county (at
> least its the same region ....), so, why not contacting these guys:
>
> http://hants.lug.org.uk
>
> They seems to be a quite active and helpfull bunch. Our Alan Pope is an
> administrator there, they should be able to help you or at least refer
> you to a local Oxford group where you can find an hands-on support.
>
> For more info about LUG:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_user_group
> http://www.lug.org.uk/
>
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OK

Thanks for your help Cesare - sad to end this way - have a good
weekend........2000 km is I suppose a long way

john

Hey! Pass back here anytime, we will drink a cup of virtual tea together :)

Or a pint of the good one

OK,

I'll have a thumblefull of Edradour ....