Wallch doesn't redirect stdout

Oneiric is EOL in April 2013. I recommend you upgrade soon.

Yes, I know.I intend to upgrade to U 12.04 soon.

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:11 PM, actionparsnip <
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The program is most likely writing to stderr and not to stdout. You should use "2>" instead of ">".
Read the REDIRECTION section of "man bash" for details.

Oh, duah! Thanks I'll try that!

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Thomas Krüger <
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> Your question #222831 on Ubuntu changed:
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> Status: Open => Answered
>
> Thomas Krüger proposed the following answer:
> The program is most likely writing to stderr and not to stdout. You should
> use "2>" instead of ">".
> Read the REDIRECTION section of "man bash" for details.
>
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Actually that didn't help. I think the code was ported from somewhere that
doesn't use redirection. It says Gnome, but is that always UNIX? If the
code was originally for Winblows, it might not use redirection. The
developer web page says to file bugs via launchpad.

On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:50 PM, bsalem <
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> Your question #222831 on Ubuntu changed:
> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/222831
>
> Status: Answered => Open
>
> You are still having a problem:
> Oh, duah! Thanks I'll try that!
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Thomas Krüger <
> <email address hidden>> wrote:
>
> > Your question #222831 on Ubuntu changed:
> > https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/222831
> >
> > Status: Open => Answered
> >
> > Thomas Krüger proposed the following answer:
> > The program is most likely writing to stderr and not to stdout. You
> should
> > use "2>" instead of ">".
> > Read the REDIRECTION section of "man bash" for details.
> >
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The problem can be the wrong sequence.
As far as I know you have to put the ampersand after the output redirection

wallch --earth >> wallch.log &

or in the case of wallch who writes more to stderr that stdout maybe the correct way is using

wallch --earth >> wallch.log 2>&1 &

OK, I.ll give that a shot. Is is true I used the csh long before bash,
which borrowed many enhancements over the Bourne shell.

On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 6:11 AM, Manfred Hampl <
<email address hidden>> wrote:

> Your question #222831 on Ubuntu changed:
> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/222831
>
> Status: Open => Answered
>
> Manfred Hampl proposed the following answer:
> The problem can be the wrong sequence.
> As far as I know you have to put the ampersand after the output redirection
>
> wallch --earth >> wallch.log &
>
> or in the case of wallch who writes more to stderr that stdout maybe the
> correct way is using
>
> wallch --earth >> wallch.log 2>&1 &
>
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...
Live earth is set as your Desktop Background. Updating every 30 minutes...
Live earth is set as your Desktop Background. Updating every 30 minutes...
Live earth is set as your Desktop Background. Updating every 30 minutes...
Live earth is set as your Desktop Background. Updating every 30 minutes...
Live earth is set as your Desktop Background. Updating every 30 minutes...
Live earth is set as your Desktop Background. Updating every 30 minutes...
^C
brucesalem :~
$ ps
  PID TTY TIME CMD
 2752 pts/1 00:00:00 bash
 6749 pts/1 00:00:00 ps
18265 pts/1 00:00:01 wallch
brucesalem :~
$ kill -9 18265
brucesalem :~
$ ps
  PID TTY TIME CMD
 2752 pts/1 00:00:00 bash
 6750 pts/1 00:00:00 ps
[2]+ Killed wallch --earth
brucesalem :~
$ wallch --earth >> wallch.log 2>&1 &
[1] 6753
brucesalem :~
$ cat wallch.log
brucesalem :~
$ cat wallch.log
brucesalem :~
$ ps
  PID TTY TIME CMD
 2752 pts/1 00:00:00 bash
 6753 pts/1 00:00:00 wallch
 6781 pts/1 00:00:00 ps
brucesalem :~

It seems to have worked.

On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Bruce Salem <email address hidden> wrote:

> OK, I.ll give that a shot. Is is true I used the csh long before bash,
> which borrowed many enhancements over the Bourne shell.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 6:11 AM, Manfred Hampl <
> <email address hidden>> wrote:
>
>> Your question #222831 on Ubuntu changed:
>> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/222831
>>
>> Status: Open => Answered
>>
>> Manfred Hampl proposed the following answer:
>> The problem can be the wrong sequence.
>> As far as I know you have to put the ampersand after the output
>> redirection
>>
>> wallch --earth >> wallch.log &
>>
>> or in the case of wallch who writes more to stderr that stdout maybe the
>> correct way is using
>>
>> wallch --earth >> wallch.log 2>&1 &
>>
>> --
>> If this answers your question, please go to the following page to let us
>> know that it is solved:
>> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/222831/+confirm?answer_id=5
>>
>> If you still need help, you can reply to this email or go to the
>> following page to enter your feedback:
>> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/222831
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>> You received this question notification because you asked the question.
>>
>
>

I am not ready to confirm that this is solved. I will check for the correct
redirection.

On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:41 PM, bsalem <
<email address hidden>> wrote:

> Your question #222831 on wallch in Ubuntu changed:
> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wallch/+question/222831
>
> You gave more information on the question:
> ...
> Live earth is set as your Desktop Background. Updating every 30 minutes...
> Live earth is set as your Desktop Background. Updating every 30 minutes...
> Live earth is set as your Desktop Background. Updating every 30 minutes...
> Live earth is set as your Desktop Background. Updating every 30 minutes...
> Live earth is set as your Desktop Background. Updating every 30 minutes...
> Live earth is set as your Desktop Background. Updating every 30 minutes...
> ^C
> brucesalem :~
> $ ps
> PID TTY TIME CMD
> 2752 pts/1 00:00:00 bash
> 6749 pts/1 00:00:00 ps
> 18265 pts/1 00:00:01 wallch
> brucesalem :~
> $ kill -9 18265
> brucesalem :~
> $ ps
> PID TTY TIME CMD
> 2752 pts/1 00:00:00 bash
> 6750 pts/1 00:00:00 ps
> [2]+ Killed wallch --earth
> brucesalem :~
> $ wallch --earth >> wallch.log 2>&1 &
> [1] 6753
> brucesalem :~
> $ cat wallch.log
> brucesalem :~
> $ cat wallch.log
> brucesalem :~
> $ ps
> PID TTY TIME CMD
> 2752 pts/1 00:00:00 bash
> 6753 pts/1 00:00:00 wallch
> 6781 pts/1 00:00:00 ps
> brucesalem :~
>
>
> It seems to have worked.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Bruce Salem <email address hidden>
> wrote:
>
> > OK, I.ll give that a shot. Is is true I used the csh long before bash,
> > which borrowed many enhancements over the Bourne shell.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 6:11 AM, Manfred Hampl <
> > <email address hidden>> wrote:
> >
> >> Your question #222831 on Ubuntu changed:
> >> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/222831
> >>
> >> Status: Open => Answered
> >>
> >> Manfred Hampl proposed the following answer:
> >> The problem can be the wrong sequence.
> >> As far as I know you have to put the ampersand after the output
> >> redirection
> >>
> >> wallch --earth >> wallch.log &
> >>
> >> or in the case of wallch who writes more to stderr that stdout maybe the
> >> correct way is using
> >>
> >> wallch --earth >> wallch.log 2>&1 &
> >>
> >> --
> >> If this answers your question, please go to the following page to let us
> >> know that it is solved:
> >>
> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/222831/+confirm?answer_id=5
> >>
> >> If you still need help, you can reply to this email or go to the
> >> following page to enter your feedback:
> >> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/222831
> >>
> >> You received this question notification because you asked the question.
> >>
> >
> >
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It seems that the above command has turned off all text output from the
command, and there is nothing on /var/log/* . I can live with that. There
is nothing in the ~/wallch.log either. So I went from undirected output to
a term to no output whatsoever. Did the command really redirect everything
to /dev/null?

On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:46 PM, bsalem <
<email address hidden>> wrote:

> Your question #222831 on wallch in Ubuntu changed:
> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wallch/+question/222831
>
> You gave more information on the question:
> I am not ready to confirm that this is solved. I will check for the correct
> redirection.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:41 PM, bsalem <
> <email address hidden>> wrote:
>
> > Your question #222831 on wallch in Ubuntu changed:
> > https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wallch/+question/222831
> >
> > You gave more information on the question:
> > ...
> > Live earth is set as your Desktop Background. Updating every 30
> minutes...
> > Live earth is set as your Desktop Background. Updating every 30
> minutes...
> > Live earth is set as your Desktop Background. Updating every 30
> minutes...
> > Live earth is set as your Desktop Background. Updating every 30
> minutes...
> > Live earth is set as your Desktop Background. Updating every 30
> minutes...
> > Live earth is set as your Desktop Background. Updating every 30
> minutes...
> > ^C
> > brucesalem :~
> > $ ps
> > PID TTY TIME CMD
> > 2752 pts/1 00:00:00 bash
> > 6749 pts/1 00:00:00 ps
> > 18265 pts/1 00:00:01 wallch
> > brucesalem :~
> > $ kill -9 18265
> > brucesalem :~
> > $ ps
> > PID TTY TIME CMD
> > 2752 pts/1 00:00:00 bash
> > 6750 pts/1 00:00:00 ps
> > [2]+ Killed wallch --earth
> > brucesalem :~
> > $ wallch --earth >> wallch.log 2>&1 &
> > [1] 6753
> > brucesalem :~
> > $ cat wallch.log
> > brucesalem :~
> > $ cat wallch.log
> > brucesalem :~
> > $ ps
> > PID TTY TIME CMD
> > 2752 pts/1 00:00:00 bash
> > 6753 pts/1 00:00:00 wallch
> > 6781 pts/1 00:00:00 ps
> > brucesalem :~
> >
> >
> > It seems to have worked.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Bruce Salem <email address hidden>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > OK, I.ll give that a shot. Is is true I used the csh long before bash,
> > > which borrowed many enhancements over the Bourne shell.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 6:11 AM, Manfred Hampl <
> > > <email address hidden>> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Your question #222831 on Ubuntu changed:
> > >> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/222831
> > >>
> > >> Status: Open => Answered
> > >>
> > >> Manfred Hampl proposed the following answer:
> > >> The problem can be the wrong sequence.
> > >> As far as I know you have to put the ampersand after the output
> > >> redirection
> > >>
> > >> wallch --earth >> wallch.log &
> > >>
> > >> or in the case of wallch who writes more to stderr that stdout maybe
> the
> > >> correct way is using
> > >>
> > >> wallch --earth >> wallch.log 2>&1 &
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> If this answers your question, please go to the following page to let
> us
> > >> know that it is solved:
> > >>
> >
> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/222831/+confirm?answer_id=5
> > >>
> > >> If you still need help, you can reply to this email or go to the
> > >> following page to enter your feedback:
> > >> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/222831
> > >>
> > >> You received this question notification because you asked the
> question.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
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Is this going to get to the developer? It think the code is ported from a
non-unix environment where the libc doesn't support redirection. It needs
to be rewrittin to properly support redirection as I haven't heard Gnome is
a non-unix window manager.

On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:56 PM, bsalem <
<email address hidden>> wrote:

> Your question #222831 on wallch in Ubuntu changed:
> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wallch/+question/222831
>
> You gave more information on the question:
> It seems that the above command has turned off all text output from the
> command, and there is nothing on /var/log/* . I can live with that. There
> is nothing in the ~/wallch.log either. So I went from undirected output to
> a term to no output whatsoever. Did the command really redirect everything
> to /dev/null?
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:46 PM, bsalem <
> <email address hidden>> wrote:
>
> > Your question #222831 on wallch in Ubuntu changed:
> > https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wallch/+question/222831
> >
> > You gave more information on the question:
> > I am not ready to confirm that this is solved. I will check for the
> correct
> > redirection.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:41 PM, bsalem <
> > <email address hidden>> wrote:
> >
> > > Your question #222831 on wallch in Ubuntu changed:
> > > https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wallch/+question/222831
> > >
> > > You gave more information on the question:
> > > ...
> > > Live earth is set as your Desktop Background. Updating every 30
> > minutes...
> > > Live earth is set as your Desktop Background. Updating every 30
> > minutes...
> > > Live earth is set as your Desktop Background. Updating every 30
> > minutes...
> > > Live earth is set as your Desktop Background. Updating every 30
> > minutes...
> > > Live earth is set as your Desktop Background. Updating every 30
> > minutes...
> > > Live earth is set as your Desktop Background. Updating every 30
> > minutes...
> > > ^C
> > > brucesalem :~
> > > $ ps
> > > PID TTY TIME CMD
> > > 2752 pts/1 00:00:00 bash
> > > 6749 pts/1 00:00:00 ps
> > > 18265 pts/1 00:00:01 wallch
> > > brucesalem :~
> > > $ kill -9 18265
> > > brucesalem :~
> > > $ ps
> > > PID TTY TIME CMD
> > > 2752 pts/1 00:00:00 bash
> > > 6750 pts/1 00:00:00 ps
> > > [2]+ Killed wallch --earth
> > > brucesalem :~
> > > $ wallch --earth >> wallch.log 2>&1 &
> > > [1] 6753
> > > brucesalem :~
> > > $ cat wallch.log
> > > brucesalem :~
> > > $ cat wallch.log
> > > brucesalem :~
> > > $ ps
> > > PID TTY TIME CMD
> > > 2752 pts/1 00:00:00 bash
> > > 6753 pts/1 00:00:00 wallch
> > > 6781 pts/1 00:00:00 ps
> > > brucesalem :~
> > >
> > >
> > > It seems to have worked.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Bruce Salem <email address hidden>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > OK, I.ll give that a shot. Is is true I used the csh long before
> bash,
> > > > which borrowed many enhancements over the Bourne shell.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 6:11 AM, Manfred Hampl <
> > > > <email address hidden>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Your question #222831 on Ubuntu changed:
> > > >> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/222831
> > > >>
> > > >> Status: Open => Answered
> > > >>
> > > >> Manfred Hampl proposed the following answer:
> > > >> The problem can be the wrong sequence.
> > > >> As far as I know you have to put the ampersand after the output
> > > >> redirection
> > > >>
> > > >> wallch --earth >> wallch.log &
> > > >>
> > > >> or in the case of wallch who writes more to stderr that stdout maybe
> > the
> > > >> correct way is using
> > > >>
> > > >> wallch --earth >> wallch.log 2>&1 &
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> If this answers your question, please go to the following page to
> let
> > us
> > > >> know that it is solved:
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/222831/+confirm?answer_id=5
> > > >>
> > > >> If you still need help, you can reply to this email or go to the
> > > >> following page to enter your feedback:
> > > >> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/222831
> > > >>
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> > question.
> > > >>
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That is a very brave theory in man ways. Also I should add that the version on Ubuntu 12.04 runs well and writes to stdout, as I expected. It can be redirected without problems.

I see, the universal answer to any problem is to upgrade, bzzt, reinstall!

This is such a basic issue that either U 11.10 is seriously broken, or
Gnome in U 11.10 is seriously broken. Well, let me tell you that I AM going
to upgrade this install to U 12.04, and if the problem with wallch
persists, I will be filing a bug and I will also try to contract the
developer directly.

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Thomas Krüger <
<email address hidden>> wrote:

> Your question #222831 on wallch in Ubuntu changed:
> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wallch/+question/222831
>
> Status: Open => Answered
>
> Thomas Krüger proposed the following answer:
> That is a very brave theory in man ways. Also I should add that the
> version on Ubuntu 12.04 runs well and writes to stdout, as I expected.
> It can be redirected without problems.
>
> --
> If this answers your question, please go to the following page to let us
> know that it is solved:
>
> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wallch/+question/222831/+confirm?answer_id=11
>
> If you still need help, you can reply to this email or go to the
> following page to enter your feedback:
> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wallch/+question/222831
>
> You received this question notification because you asked the question.
>

Just a little philosophy. Things that worked in U 10.10 broke in upgrading
to U 11.10 in order to be able to file bugs and ask questions, and now all
I get is "Upgrade to U 12.04," as if that is going to magically solve all
problems I've ever had. I know that software that has been recently changed
has a far greater probability of introducing more failures, and we aren't
even talking about the exceptional debacle of converting from Gnome 2 to
Gnome 3 with Unity and back again to Gnome Classic. So, it wouldn't
surprise me that many of the problems I've been reporting are due to
configuration mistakes made from trying to incorporate Unity features and
provide failback to Classic. So this is a Catch-22 and it is the typical
situation when an small group of engineers and their management make
decisions without regard to customers and cannot provide fixes. There are
secret and undocumented tools, gnome tracker has no documentation of the
metadata it collects, and obviously the support, and there is doubt that
features in Gnome 3 were enacted in good faith, especially for desktop
users.

And of course there is the grub config error that because of the video
driver changes the screen goes out of frequency range during boot. To me,
that is a side effect of the rush to make Unity the standard. I expect the
config to be fixed in the upgrade. I know the suggested fix to the config
and there is no point in applying it until after the upgrade. It should
have been made available in the config. If you wanted Windows and MacOS
users to convert to Linux, this is not the way to do it. Little things DO
matter. They make or break you. If Canonical does not have enough qualified
engineers to make the basic things bulletproof, it should hire more. I am
talking about core things like boot, basic install, window manager, file
manager. You never have a problem with these things on the other systems
and on many other Linices.

I think Canonical should have a longer support cycle, especially given the
over-ambitious changes to Gnome 3 and Unity. The policy should have been
that you will support earlier releases longer during the transition of
window managers. We aren't talking about users fixing open source bugs
here, we are talking about whether fixes get backported and about a longer
period of time to support core packages like widow manager and file
managers.

I am going to upgrade to U 12.04, and since that is LTS I will complain
even louder if more things break. I will provide reasonable
troubleshooting, but if I hear "Upgrade to U 13.04", you will not hear the
end of it from me!

On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 7:45 PM, bsalem <<email address hidden>
> wrote:

> Your question #222831 on wallch in Ubuntu changed:
> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wallch/+question/222831
>
> Status: Answered => Open
>
> You are still having a problem:
> I see, the universal answer to any problem is to upgrade, bzzt,
> reinstall!
>
> This is such a basic issue that either U 11.10 is seriously broken, or
> Gnome in U 11.10 is seriously broken. Well, let me tell you that I AM going
> to upgrade this install to U 12.04, and if the problem with wallch
> persists, I will be filing a bug and I will also try to contract the
> developer directly.
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Thomas Krüger <
> <email address hidden>> wrote:
>
> > Your question #222831 on wallch in Ubuntu changed:
> > https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wallch/+question/222831
> >
> > Status: Open => Answered
> >
> > Thomas Krüger proposed the following answer:
> > That is a very brave theory in man ways. Also I should add that the
> > version on Ubuntu 12.04 runs well and writes to stdout, as I expected.
> > It can be redirected without problems.
> >
> > --
> > If this answers your question, please go to the following page to let us
> > know that it is solved:
> >
> >
> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wallch/+question/222831/+confirm?answer_id=11
> >
> > If you still need help, you can reply to this email or go to the
> > following page to enter your feedback:
> > https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wallch/+question/222831
> >
> > You received this question notification because you asked the question.
> >
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Well, problem not closed but I am closing this question as not suportable.