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WMP600N Linksys wireless fails on 10.04 with 32 kernel

Asked by Donald Wilde

I bought a Cisco/Linksys WMP600N PCI-based wireless card. It worked immediately on my 64-bit 9.04 on a Dell Inspiron 4-core.

Feeling courageous, I launched the upgrade to LTS, and my card stopped working. It is recognized, though it is called wlan1 instead of ra0 now.

I tried several pokes and prods, and finally tried to revert to the previous 31 kernel. That was successful, although it appears that there are problems using that now ('missing initramfs'). Right now, it is running 10.04 but with 2.6.31 kernel and I'm connecting.

My upgrade had several other problems, so I'm going to clean the machine and try again, but I want to see if there's a solution that gets me everything correct and current.

Thanks! :D

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actionparsnip (andrew-woodhead666) said : 		#1

What is the output of:

sudo lshw -C network

Thanks

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actionparsnip (andrew-woodhead666) said : 		#2

and:

sudo iwlist scan

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Donald Wilde (dwilde1) said : 		#3

Here they both are with the 31 kernel.
lshw -C network

  *-network
       description: Ethernet interface
       product: 82562V-2 10/100 Network Connection
       vendor: Intel Corporation
       physical id: 19
       bus info: pci@0000:00:19.0
       logical name: eth0
       version: 02
       serial: 00:21:9b:03:ea:82
       capacity: 100MB/s
       width: 32 bits
       clock: 33MHz
       capabilities: pm msi bus_master cap_list ethernet physical tp 10bt
10bt-fd 100bt 100bt-fd autonegotiation
       configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=e1000e
driverversion=1.0.2-k2 firmware=1.1-2 latency=0 link=no multicast=yes
port=twisted pair
       resources: irq:25 memory:fdfc0000-fdfdffff memory:fdfff000-fdffffff
ioport:fe00(size=32)
  *-network
       description: Wireless interface
       product: RT2800 802.11n PCI
       vendor: RaLink
       physical id: 0
       bus info: pci@0000:02:00.0
       logical name: ra0
       version: 00
       serial: 00:25:9c:e4:39:da
       width: 32 bits
       clock: 33MHz
       capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list ethernet physical wireless
       configuration: broadcast=yes driver=rt2860 ip=10.71.0.244 latency=64
maxlatency=4 mingnt=2 multicast=yes wireless=RT2860 Wireless
       resources: irq:21 memory:fdde0000-fddeffff

iwlist scan on 31

ra0 Scan completed :
          Cell 01 - Address: 00:0A:06:FF:A9:B0
                    ESSID:"Studio6_257"
                    Mode:Managed
                    Channel:1
                    Quality:44/100 Signal level:-72 dBm Noise level:-71
dBm
                    Encryption key:off
                    Bit Rates:36 Mb/s
          Cell 02 - Address: C4:17:FE:06:58:49
                    ESSID:"Connectify-amh"
                    Mode:Managed
                    Channel:11
                    Quality:60/100 Signal level:-66 dBm Noise level:-71
dBm
                    Encryption key:on
                    Bit Rates:54 Mb/s
                    IE: IEEE 802.11i/WPA2 Version 1
                        Group Cipher : CCMP
                        Pairwise Ciphers (1) : CCMP
                        Authentication Suites (1) : PSK
          Cell 03 - Address: 00:0A:06:FF:A7:79
                    ESSID:"Studio6_220"
                    Mode:Managed
                    Channel:11
                    Quality:0/100 Signal level:-90 dBm Noise level:-71 dBm
                    Encryption key:off
                    Bit Rates:36 Mb/s

Here's the 32 kernel:

lshw -C network

 *-network
       description: Ethernet interface
       product: 82562V-2 10/100 Network Connection
       vendor: Intel Corporation
       physical id: 19
       bus info: pci@0000:00:19.0
       logical name: eth0
       version: 02
       serial: 00:21:9b:03:ea:82
       capacity: 100MB/s
       width: 32 bits
       clock: 33MHz
       capabilities: pm msi bus_master cap_list ethernet physical tp 10bt
10bt-fd 100bt 100bt-fd autonegotiation
       configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=e1000e
driverversion=1.0.2-k2 firmware=1.1-2 latency=0 link=no multicast=yes
port=twisted pair
       resources: irq:25 memory:fdfc0000-fdfdffff memory:fdfff000-fdffffff
ioport:fe00(size=32)
  *-network
       description: Wireless interface
       product: RT2800 802.11n PCI
       vendor: RaLink
       physical id: 0
       bus info: pci@0000:02:00.0
       logical name: wlan0
       version: 00
       serial: 00:25:9c:e4:39:da
       width: 32 bits
       clock: 33MHz
       capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list ethernet physical wireless
       configuration: broadcast=yes driver=rt2860 latency=64 maxlatency=4
mingnt=2 multicast=yes wireless=RT2860 Wireless
       resources: irq:21 memory:fdde0000-fddeffff

iwlist scan on 32

wlan0 Scan completed :
          Cell 01 - Address: 00:0A:06:FF:A9:B0
                    Protocol:802.11b/g
                    ESSID:"Studio6_257"
                    Mode:Managed
                    Channel:1
                    Quality:44/100 Signal level:-72 dBm Noise level:-87
dBm
                    Encryption key:off
                    Bit Rates:36 Mb/s
          Cell 02 - Address: C4:17:FE:06:58:49
                    Protocol:802.11b/g
                    ESSID:"Connectify-amh"
                    Mode:Managed
                    Channel:11
                    Quality:50/100 Signal level:-70 dBm Noise level:-87
dBm
                    Encryption key:on
                    Bit Rates:54 Mb/s
                    IE: IEEE 802.11i/WPA2 Version 1
                        Group Cipher : CCMP
                        Pairwise Ciphers (1) : CCMP
                        Authentication Suites (1) : PSK
          Cell 03 - Address: 00:0A:06:FF:AB:8E
                    Protocol:802.11b/g
                    ESSID:"Studio6.211"
                    Mode:Managed
                    Channel:11
                    Quality:10/100 Signal level:-86 dBm Noise level:-87
dBm
                    Encryption key:off
                    Bit Rates:36 Mb/s
          Cell 04 - Address: 00:0A:06:FF:A7:79
                    Protocol:802.11b/g
                    ESSID:"Studio6_220"
                    Mode:Managed
                    Channel:11
                    Quality:0/100 Signal level:-90 dBm Noise level:-87 dBm
                    Encryption key:off
                    Bit Rates:36 Mb/s

It appears that the kernels are both seeing them but the hooks from Network
Manager that make association happen are not.

Thanks for helping!

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 4:18 PM, actionparsnip <
<email address hidden>> wrote:

> Your question #117754 on Ubuntu changed:
> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/117754
>
> actionparsnip requested for more information:
> and:
>
> sudo iwlist scan
>
> Thanks
>
> --
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Donald Wilde (dwilde1) said : 		#4

I may have found the problem. I've been doing work with DBus and
wpa_supplicant for a company, and I know this isn't okay.

from ps ax | grep wpa on the 32 system:

1023 ? S 0:00 /sbin/wpa_supplicant -u -s
 1093 ? Ss 0:00 /sbin/wpa_supplicant -s -B -P
/var/run/wpa_supplicant.wlan0.pid -i wlan0 -D wext -C
/var/run/wpa_supplicant

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Donald Wilde <
<email address hidden>> wrote:

> Your question #117754 on Ubuntu changed:
> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/117754
>
> Status: Needs information => Open
>
> You gave more information on the question:
> Here they both are with the 31 kernel.
> lshw -C network
>
> *-network
> description: Ethernet interface
> product: 82562V-2 10/100 Network Connection
> vendor: Intel Corporation
> physical id: 19
> bus info: pci@0000:00:19.0
> logical name: eth0
> version: 02
> serial: 00:21:9b:03:ea:82
> capacity: 100MB/s
> width: 32 bits
> clock: 33MHz
> capabilities: pm msi bus_master cap_list ethernet physical tp 10bt
> 10bt-fd 100bt 100bt-fd autonegotiation
> configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=e1000e
> driverversion=1.0.2-k2 firmware=1.1-2 latency=0 link=no multicast=yes
> port=twisted pair
> resources: irq:25 memory:fdfc0000-fdfdffff memory:fdfff000-fdffffff
> ioport:fe00(size=32)
> *-network
> description: Wireless interface
> product: RT2800 802.11n PCI
> vendor: RaLink
> physical id: 0
> bus info: pci@0000:02:00.0
> logical name: ra0
> version: 00
> serial: 00:25:9c:e4:39:da
> width: 32 bits
> clock: 33MHz
> capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list ethernet physical wireless
> configuration: broadcast=yes driver=rt2860 ip=10.71.0.244 latency=64
> maxlatency=4 mingnt=2 multicast=yes wireless=RT2860 Wireless
> resources: irq:21 memory:fdde0000-fddeffff
>
> iwlist scan on 31
>
> ra0 Scan completed :
> Cell 01 - Address: 00:0A:06:FF:A9:B0
> ESSID:"Studio6_257"
> Mode:Managed
> Channel:1
> Quality:44/100 Signal level:-72 dBm Noise level:-71
> dBm
> Encryption key:off
> Bit Rates:36 Mb/s
> Cell 02 - Address: C4:17:FE:06:58:49
> ESSID:"Connectify-amh"
> Mode:Managed
> Channel:11
> Quality:60/100 Signal level:-66 dBm Noise level:-71
> dBm
> Encryption key:on
> Bit Rates:54 Mb/s
> IE: IEEE 802.11i/WPA2 Version 1
> Group Cipher : CCMP
> Pairwise Ciphers (1) : CCMP
> Authentication Suites (1) : PSK
> Cell 03 - Address: 00:0A:06:FF:A7:79
> ESSID:"Studio6_220"
> Mode:Managed
> Channel:11
> Quality:0/100 Signal level:-90 dBm Noise level:-71 dBm
> Encryption key:off
> Bit Rates:36 Mb/s
>
> Here's the 32 kernel:
>
> lshw -C network
>
> *-network
> description: Ethernet interface
> product: 82562V-2 10/100 Network Connection
> vendor: Intel Corporation
> physical id: 19
> bus info: pci@0000:00:19.0
> logical name: eth0
> version: 02
> serial: 00:21:9b:03:ea:82
> capacity: 100MB/s
> width: 32 bits
> clock: 33MHz
> capabilities: pm msi bus_master cap_list ethernet physical tp 10bt
> 10bt-fd 100bt 100bt-fd autonegotiation
> configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=e1000e
> driverversion=1.0.2-k2 firmware=1.1-2 latency=0 link=no multicast=yes
> port=twisted pair
> resources: irq:25 memory:fdfc0000-fdfdffff memory:fdfff000-fdffffff
> ioport:fe00(size=32)
> *-network
> description: Wireless interface
> product: RT2800 802.11n PCI
> vendor: RaLink
> physical id: 0
> bus info: pci@0000:02:00.0
> logical name: wlan0
> version: 00
> serial: 00:25:9c:e4:39:da
> width: 32 bits
> clock: 33MHz
> capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list ethernet physical wireless
> configuration: broadcast=yes driver=rt2860 latency=64 maxlatency=4
> mingnt=2 multicast=yes wireless=RT2860 Wireless
> resources: irq:21 memory:fdde0000-fddeffff
>
> iwlist scan on 32
>
> wlan0 Scan completed :
> Cell 01 - Address: 00:0A:06:FF:A9:B0
> Protocol:802.11b/g
> ESSID:"Studio6_257"
> Mode:Managed
> Channel:1
> Quality:44/100 Signal level:-72 dBm Noise level:-87
> dBm
> Encryption key:off
> Bit Rates:36 Mb/s
> Cell 02 - Address: C4:17:FE:06:58:49
> Protocol:802.11b/g
> ESSID:"Connectify-amh"
> Mode:Managed
> Channel:11
> Quality:50/100 Signal level:-70 dBm Noise level:-87
> dBm
> Encryption key:on
> Bit Rates:54 Mb/s
> IE: IEEE 802.11i/WPA2 Version 1
> Group Cipher : CCMP
> Pairwise Ciphers (1) : CCMP
> Authentication Suites (1) : PSK
> Cell 03 - Address: 00:0A:06:FF:AB:8E
> Protocol:802.11b/g
> ESSID:"Studio6.211"
> Mode:Managed
> Channel:11
> Quality:10/100 Signal level:-86 dBm Noise level:-87
> dBm
> Encryption key:off
> Bit Rates:36 Mb/s
> Cell 04 - Address: 00:0A:06:FF:A7:79
> Protocol:802.11b/g
> ESSID:"Studio6_220"
> Mode:Managed
> Channel:11
> Quality:0/100 Signal level:-90 dBm Noise level:-87 dBm
> Encryption key:off
> Bit Rates:36 Mb/s
>
> It appears that the kernels are both seeing them but the hooks from Network
> Manager that make association happen are not.
>
> Thanks for helping!
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 4:18 PM, actionparsnip <
> <email address hidden>> wrote:
>
> > Your question #117754 on Ubuntu changed:
> > https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/117754
> >
> > actionparsnip requested for more information:
> > and:
> >
> > sudo iwlist scan
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > --
> > To answer this request for more information, you can either reply to
> > this email or enter your reply at the following page:
> > https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/117754
> >
> > You received this question notification because you are a direct
> > subscriber of the question.
> >
>
>
> --
> -- Don Wilde
> c: 512-749-6447
>
> You received this question notification because you are a direct
> subscriber of the question.
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Donald Wilde (dwilde1) said : 		#5

I tried to kill one or both of the supplicants, but nothing results in
operational wireless. The -u -s daemon restarts and the pid-specific one
does not.

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Donald Wilde <
<email address hidden>> wrote:

> Your question #117754 on Ubuntu changed:
> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/117754
>
> You gave more information on the question:
> I may have found the problem. I've been doing work with DBus and
> wpa_supplicant for a company, and I know this isn't okay.
>
> from ps ax | grep wpa on the 32 system:
>
> 1023 ? S 0:00 /sbin/wpa_supplicant -u -s
> 1093 ? Ss 0:00 /sbin/wpa_supplicant -s -B -P
> /var/run/wpa_supplicant.wlan0.pid -i wlan0 -D wext -C
> /var/run/wpa_supplicant
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Donald Wilde <
> <email address hidden>> wrote:
>
> > Your question #117754 on Ubuntu changed:
> > https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/117754
> >
> > Status: Needs information => Open
> >
> > You gave more information on the question:
> > Here they both are with the 31 kernel.
> > lshw -C network
> >
> > *-network
> > description: Ethernet interface
> > product: 82562V-2 10/100 Network Connection
> > vendor: Intel Corporation
> > physical id: 19
> > bus info: pci@0000:00:19.0
> > logical name: eth0
> > version: 02
> > serial: 00:21:9b:03:ea:82
> > capacity: 100MB/s
> > width: 32 bits
> > clock: 33MHz
> > capabilities: pm msi bus_master cap_list ethernet physical tp 10bt
> > 10bt-fd 100bt 100bt-fd autonegotiation
> > configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=e1000e
> > driverversion=1.0.2-k2 firmware=1.1-2 latency=0 link=no multicast=yes
> > port=twisted pair
> > resources: irq:25 memory:fdfc0000-fdfdffff memory:fdfff000-fdffffff
> > ioport:fe00(size=32)
> > *-network
> > description: Wireless interface
> > product: RT2800 802.11n PCI
> > vendor: RaLink
> > physical id: 0
> > bus info: pci@0000:02:00.0
> > logical name: ra0
> > version: 00
> > serial: 00:25:9c:e4:39:da
> > width: 32 bits
> > clock: 33MHz
> > capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list ethernet physical wireless
> > configuration: broadcast=yes driver=rt2860 ip=10.71.0.244
> latency=64
> > maxlatency=4 mingnt=2 multicast=yes wireless=RT2860 Wireless
> > resources: irq:21 memory:fdde0000-fddeffff
> >
> > iwlist scan on 31
> >
> > ra0 Scan completed :
> > Cell 01 - Address: 00:0A:06:FF:A9:B0
> > ESSID:"Studio6_257"
> > Mode:Managed
> > Channel:1
> > Quality:44/100 Signal level:-72 dBm Noise level:-71
> > dBm
> > Encryption key:off
> > Bit Rates:36 Mb/s
> > Cell 02 - Address: C4:17:FE:06:58:49
> > ESSID:"Connectify-amh"
> > Mode:Managed
> > Channel:11
> > Quality:60/100 Signal level:-66 dBm Noise level:-71
> > dBm
> > Encryption key:on
> > Bit Rates:54 Mb/s
> > IE: IEEE 802.11i/WPA2 Version 1
> > Group Cipher : CCMP
> > Pairwise Ciphers (1) : CCMP
> > Authentication Suites (1) : PSK
> > Cell 03 - Address: 00:0A:06:FF:A7:79
> > ESSID:"Studio6_220"
> > Mode:Managed
> > Channel:11
> > Quality:0/100 Signal level:-90 dBm Noise level:-71
> dBm
> > Encryption key:off
> > Bit Rates:36 Mb/s
> >
> > Here's the 32 kernel:
> >
> > lshw -C network
> >
> > *-network
> > description: Ethernet interface
> > product: 82562V-2 10/100 Network Connection
> > vendor: Intel Corporation
> > physical id: 19
> > bus info: pci@0000:00:19.0
> > logical name: eth0
> > version: 02
> > serial: 00:21:9b:03:ea:82
> > capacity: 100MB/s
> > width: 32 bits
> > clock: 33MHz
> > capabilities: pm msi bus_master cap_list ethernet physical tp 10bt
> > 10bt-fd 100bt 100bt-fd autonegotiation
> > configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=e1000e
> > driverversion=1.0.2-k2 firmware=1.1-2 latency=0 link=no multicast=yes
> > port=twisted pair
> > resources: irq:25 memory:fdfc0000-fdfdffff memory:fdfff000-fdffffff
> > ioport:fe00(size=32)
> > *-network
> > description: Wireless interface
> > product: RT2800 802.11n PCI
> > vendor: RaLink
> > physical id: 0
> > bus info: pci@0000:02:00.0
> > logical name: wlan0
> > version: 00
> > serial: 00:25:9c:e4:39:da
> > width: 32 bits
> > clock: 33MHz
> > capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list ethernet physical wireless
> > configuration: broadcast=yes driver=rt2860 latency=64 maxlatency=4
> > mingnt=2 multicast=yes wireless=RT2860 Wireless
> > resources: irq:21 memory:fdde0000-fddeffff
> >
> > iwlist scan on 32
> >
> > wlan0 Scan completed :
> > Cell 01 - Address: 00:0A:06:FF:A9:B0
> > Protocol:802.11b/g
> > ESSID:"Studio6_257"
> > Mode:Managed
> > Channel:1
> > Quality:44/100 Signal level:-72 dBm Noise level:-87
> > dBm
> > Encryption key:off
> > Bit Rates:36 Mb/s
> > Cell 02 - Address: C4:17:FE:06:58:49
> > Protocol:802.11b/g
> > ESSID:"Connectify-amh"
> > Mode:Managed
> > Channel:11
> > Quality:50/100 Signal level:-70 dBm Noise level:-87
> > dBm
> > Encryption key:on
> > Bit Rates:54 Mb/s
> > IE: IEEE 802.11i/WPA2 Version 1
> > Group Cipher : CCMP
> > Pairwise Ciphers (1) : CCMP
> > Authentication Suites (1) : PSK
> > Cell 03 - Address: 00:0A:06:FF:AB:8E
> > Protocol:802.11b/g
> > ESSID:"Studio6.211"
> > Mode:Managed
> > Channel:11
> > Quality:10/100 Signal level:-86 dBm Noise level:-87
> > dBm
> > Encryption key:off
> > Bit Rates:36 Mb/s
> > Cell 04 - Address: 00:0A:06:FF:A7:79
> > Protocol:802.11b/g
> > ESSID:"Studio6_220"
> > Mode:Managed
> > Channel:11
> > Quality:0/100 Signal level:-90 dBm Noise level:-87
> dBm
> > Encryption key:off
> > Bit Rates:36 Mb/s
> >
> > It appears that the kernels are both seeing them but the hooks from
> Network
> > Manager that make association happen are not.
> >
> > Thanks for helping!
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 4:18 PM, actionparsnip <
> > <email address hidden>> wrote:
> >
> > > Your question #117754 on Ubuntu changed:
> > > https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/117754
> > >
> > > actionparsnip requested for more information:
> > > and:
> > >
> > > sudo iwlist scan
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > --
> > > To answer this request for more information, you can either reply to
> > > this email or enter your reply at the following page:
> > > https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/117754
> > >
> > > You received this question notification because you are a direct
> > > subscriber of the question.
> > >
> >
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actionparsnip (andrew-woodhead666) said : 		#6

If you install wicd using:

sudo apt-get install wicd

Then reboot, you can configre wicd to use the riht interface name in the settings. It will then work nicely.

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Donald Wilde (dwilde1) said : 		#7

It does, thank you very much!

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 5:55 PM, actionparsnip <
<email address hidden>> wrote:

> Your question #117754 on Ubuntu changed:
> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/117754
>
> Status: Open => Answered
>
> actionparsnip proposed the following answer:
> If you install wicd using:
>
> sudo apt-get install wicd
>
> Then reboot, you can configre wicd to use the riht interface name in the
> settings. It will then work nicely.
>
> --
> If this answers your question, please go to the following page to let us
> know that it is solved:
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Best actionparsnip (andrew-woodhead666) said : 		#8

Funny how wicd picks up the pieces. I have suggested wicd a billion times on here. It doesn't support 3G like network manager and 3G is used by some users.
Glad you got the gold.

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Donald Wilde (dwilde1) said : 		#9

I am grateful for your support, actionparsnip.

It's people like you who support us dumb users (even though I've been doing this for 28 years, I didn't know this one) in being powerful with Linux. It used to be that whenever you had a problem you had to RTFM and become an expert, but these systems are becoming too complex and too powerful to be an expert in more than a few arenas.

You're making the difference.

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actionparsnip (andrew-woodhead666) said : 		#10

Well as you use the system you will learn, just as you did with windows. I'm sure if you use linux for as long as you have used windows you will be as fluent wit it as you are with windows. New users tend to give it a few hours then get frustrated because its all different and they get scared. The smart people (like yourself) stick at it and appreciate it is different then actually get things working and realise there are benefits to linux (there are also advantages to windows over linux too).

You will start helping folks too dude, all users help everyone and makes the world go around. You aren't a dumb user at all, you are just new to the OS just as I was about 9 years ago but as you learn you will find stuff easier and it will make sense more.

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Donald Wilde (dwilde1) said : 		#11

Actually, I've used FreeBSD since 1997 and Linux since 2008. I'm an embedded
programmer. I do my best to be helpful because you're right, we are the
difference.

The advantages to Windows are fewer and fewer. Once we can give the gamers a
direct graphics engine and wean bean-counters off QuickBooks, look out!

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 9:18 AM, actionparsnip <
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> Your question #117754 on gnome-nettool in ubuntu changed:
> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-nettool/+question/117754
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> actionparsnip posted a new comment:
> Well as you use the system you will learn, just as you did with windows.
> I'm sure if you use linux for as long as you have used windows you will
> be as fluent wit it as you are with windows. New users tend to give it a
> few hours then get frustrated because its all different and they get
> scared. The smart people (like yourself) stick at it and appreciate it
> is different then actually get things working and realise there are
> benefits to linux (there are also advantages to windows over linux too).
>
> You will start helping folks too dude, all users help everyone and makes
> the world go around. You aren't a dumb user at all, you are just new to
> the OS just as I was about 9 years ago but as you learn you will find
> stuff easier and it will make sense more.
>
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