Ubuntu 9.04 disc will not install

Asked by wordsmyth

I installed Ubuntu 9.04 on my Acer laptop and it was a breeze. Have used same without problems for few months but have had no success installing same on daughter's Toshiba Satellite - the disc is read, copies files and then hangs...and hangs....and HANGS. Both laptops have 512MB memories - Ubuntu 9.04 is really fast on my Acer - and the Toshiba shows 380MB of usable memory. Interesting that PUPPY loads okay...but not Ubuntu. Really annoying, as both laptops have the same memory available. Have tried uninstalling and reformatting the Toshiba hard disk and Ubuntu STILL would not install (I had to re-install Windows on that machine...) So...any suggestions out there?

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Appiah (appiah) said :
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Does the last step hang? or does it hang before that?
Did you try text installer ?

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wordsmyth (wordsmyth-netspace) said :
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         The CD loads. I click INSTALL WITHOUT CHANGES. The Ubuntu logo
        appears, the loading profess line proceeds from left to right,
        stops....and screen hangs. Have waited several hours, but
        screen still hangs. No activity from drives. I switch off and
        reboot my Windows XP (Curious thing: XP installs with only 256MB
        - why does Ubuntu require so much memory????)
        Thanks for the prompt response. Didn't have this problem with my
        Acer, as indicated...and it also has 512MB.....Puzzling ....
        Same result if I go directly to INSTALL from the CD...

Appiah wrote:
> Your question #80975 on Ubuntu changed:
> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/80975
>
> Status: Open => Needs information
>
> Appiah requested for more information:
> Does the last step hang? or does it hang before that?
> Did you try text installer ?
>
>

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Appiah (appiah) said :
#3

When you come to the boot menu , move marker to install ubuntu , press F6 , press ESC
remove the text "quiet" from the boot menu

Now you should see which steps it hangs on.
Why do you think this is a memory related issue?
Do you get such error?
I've installed ubuntu on 256 and less before.

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Appiah (appiah) said :
#4

Oh

Remove quiet and splash btw.
Should be easier to see where it stops.

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Tom (tom6) said :
#5

Right, the toshiba machines often have unusual graphics chipsets and some other slightly strange things but that is something that makes them interesting.

Generally laptops siphon-off some of the Ram to use for the graphics card through the bios. In the toshiba's case it seems to have taken away a lot more than the Acer took. So graphics stuff should work more smoothly and faster on the toshiba :)

Unfortunately the 512Mb ram of both machine puts them right on the limmit of the minimum specifications for Ubuntu. Ubuntu is famous for being probably the heaviest version of linux (distro) and Puppy deliberately aims at being the lightest although there are others that are that tiny but have different aims&objectives.

Here's an article written by someone with far too many years of experience trying to install CentOS (another heavy distro) onto another toshiba.

For your daughters machine i would choose 1 of 2 paths; either
1. Install Xubuntu instead of Ubuntu and just add back some of the packages such as OpenOffice
http://www.xubuntu.org/get
2. Install a different "Desktop Environment" such as Xfce (used by Xubuntu) or LxDE or add a much lighter "Window Manager" such as OpenBox, Enlightenment, BlackBox or any of hundreds of other choices.
3. Also it might be worth looking around at other distros such as Qimo (for very very young children) or something else
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=qimo
Note that Qimo also uses the Xfce DE rather than the very heavy Gnome DE.

I would really recommend going with option 1 there, as it's much easier and is already setup to look & work almost identically to Ubuntu. Some of these other DEs look a bit strange at first.

Good luck and regards from
Tom :)

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Tom (tom6) said :
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Ooops, i missed out the link to Caitlyn's article so here it is
http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090720#feature

You probably could get a LiveCd to work
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD
if you could somehow force it to use XVesa rather than Xorg for the graphics but that would be quite counter-productive as you would then lose one of the key advantages of more ram being used by the graphics card.

Anyway the Xubuntu mouse is quite cute imo
Good luck and regards from
Tom :)

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wordsmyth (wordsmyth-netspace) said :
#7

        Hi Tom:

        Thanks for this excellent advice!
        Good to hear from someone familiar with Toshiba machines...
        I also tried loading Xubuntu, with the same problem.
        I'll heed your advice and try your suggestions ...also check out
        Distrowatch.
        But in passing, Ubuntu 9.04 works fine on my Acer - goes like a
        whiz...with only 512MB.
        Hadn't realised the changes made in bios by different
        manufacturers ...

        Thanks again,

        wordsmyth

Tom wrote:
> Your question #80975 on Ubuntu changed:
> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/80975
>
> Status: Needs information => Answered
>
> Tom proposed the following answer:
> Right, the toshiba machines often have unusual graphics chipsets and
> some other slightly strange things but that is something that makes them
> interesting.
>
> Generally laptops siphon-off some of the Ram to use for the graphics
> card through the bios. In the toshiba's case it seems to have taken
> away a lot more than the Acer took. So graphics stuff should work more
> smoothly and faster on the toshiba :)
>
> Unfortunately the 512Mb ram of both machine puts them right on the
> limmit of the minimum specifications for Ubuntu. Ubuntu is famous for
> being probably the heaviest version of linux (distro) and Puppy
> deliberately aims at being the lightest although there are others that
> are that tiny but have different aims&objectives.
>
> Here's an article written by someone with far too many years of
> experience trying to install CentOS (another heavy distro) onto another
> toshiba.
>
> For your daughters machine i would choose 1 of 2 paths; either
> 1. Install Xubuntu instead of Ubuntu and just add back some of the packages such as OpenOffice
> http://www.xubuntu.org/get
> 2. Install a different "Desktop Environment" such as Xfce (used by Xubuntu) or LxDE or add a much lighter "Window Manager" such as OpenBox, Enlightenment, BlackBox or any of hundreds of other choices.
> 3. Also it might be worth looking around at other distros such as Qimo (for very very young children) or something else
> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=qimo
> Note that Qimo also uses the Xfce DE rather than the very heavy Gnome DE.
>
> I would really recommend going with option 1 there, as it's much easier
> and is already setup to look & work almost identically to Ubuntu. Some
> of these other DEs look a bit strange at first.
>
> Good luck and regards from
> Tom :)
>
>

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Tom (tom6) said :
#8

Hmmm, could you try a distro in between the compressed Puppy and over-full Ubuntu? Perhaps Wolvix Hunter 1.1.0?
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=wolvix
Just as a LiveCd again, just to see if we can get that working and copy something from it to get Xubuntu working. Note it has an F1 option at the first splash screen which is useful for exploring it's boot-options, similar to *buntu's
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions

Again, good luck and regards from
Tom :)

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Tom (tom6) said :
#9

When you post into here it is better to follow the links to the website and post directly into the thread for this question here. Alternatively please just delete off everything we have already sent you from the bottom of your email when you reply to us as we already have a copy of that in the thread here
https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/80975

Don't worry it takes time getting used to the way launchpad works. Most of us did similar things at first.

Good luck and regards from
Tom :)

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Tom (tom6) said :
#10

Hi :)

Have you been able to try the new Ubuntu 10.04 before it gets officially released?
http://www.ubuntulinux.org/testing/lucid/beta2
Trying it as a LiveCd or as an extra dual/multi-boot would be ideal. Developers and everyone are keen to try to iron out any problems before 10.04 gets officially released so you might find faster & more effective answers to your bug reports which would make 10.04 work better on your system for you

Thanks and regards from
Tom :)

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