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David Arnoldo Ortiz Lozano (tyoc) said on 2007-07-24:

#1

1) "Hard Drive of 70GB 40GB free", you mean that your HD is about 70GB and Windows is installed there, even that you have 40GB free? Or you mean be "free" that you have a partition of 30GB in which is installed Windows (perhaps 2 partitions, because you say that there is a "D:" drive), and the other 40GB have no OS, or any format, they are totally free or unnasigned with a FileSystem?

In any case, you will need a complete free space in your HD, that is _NO_ OS installed, no format or assignation of type for the space.

2) Have you actually run Ubuntu from the LiveCD (whitout go to the installation step)?

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David Arnoldo Ortiz Lozano (tyoc) said on 2007-07-25:

#2

OK, I will try to answer, without the clarification.

1) You SHOULD have free unassigned space in the HD, that mean that there should be room for do some extra partitions with his respective format, in fact 2 new partitions 1 for put the whole system and another for assign the SWAP space (for a Windows user, take it like the "page file", but this space should be a PARTITION in Linux, thus the swaps partition space).

If your HD is full of Windows (like any PC or laptop with pre-installed OS), mean that there is no room in the HD for do some extra partitions

For overcome this, you should have a specialized software for resize the partition, there is "Partition magik" (or something like that) that require a License or $$$.

or

2) run the LiveCD, it come with gparted, thus hit ALT+F2 (for a Windows user is like WinKey+R) and type the name of the program: gparted thus you should be able to resize the partition of Windows and let a plenty of room for Ubuntu. Note: IIRC I remember somewhere that doing "defragmentation" within Windows before do the resize help put the major part of the files to the start of the partition, thus "being more" secure to resize at the end, note that you should have a BACKUP, there are no guarantees (I guess, at less for me have worked, but I have control over what OS to install and what no, ie. "an assemble yourself your PC").

Q: How do I use gparted?
A: it is a graphical interface!!!, OK you can manipulate your whole hard disk structure, the changes will not be effectuated until you hit APPLY!!!, IIRC it warn you about "things" that can not be done with guarantee, but I dont remember.

Q: When Ubuntu is installed gparted isn't there?
A1: IIRC gparted is not installed, because it is needed for do the "preparation steps" of partitioning the HD, thus if you have already your system, they consider that is something that is not necessary to a user that will not move, change or reformat the partitions.
A2: Anyway, you can always installit via synaptic, or with the command in a terminal « sudo apt-get install gparted »

Q: It is secure to use gparted?
A: yes, but there are no guarantees, thus, YOU SHOULD HAVE a backup of your whole disk in case of failure :roll:.

Q: Is there a live CD?
A: A GParted "live" CD is available at http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php

Also you can obtain more info about gparted in his home page http://gparted.sourceforge.net/

OK, I will try to answer, without the clarification.

1) You SHOULD have free unassigned space in the HD, that mean that there should be room for do some extra partitions with his respective format, in fact 2 new partitions 1 for put the whole system and another for assign the SWAP space (for a Windows user, take it like the "page file", but this space should be a PARTITION in Linux, thus the swaps partition space).

If your HD is full of Windows (like any PC or laptop with pre-installed OS), mean that there is no room in the HD for do some extra partitions

For overcome this, you should have a specialized software for resize the partition, there is "Partition magik" (or something like that) that require a License or $$$.

or

2) run the LiveCD, it come with gparted, thus hit ALT+F2 (for a Windows user is like WinKey+R) and type the name of the program: gparted thus you should be able to resize the partition of Windows and let a plenty of room for Ubuntu. Note: IIRC I remember somewhere that doing "defragmentation" within Windows before do the resize help put the major part of the files to the start of the partition, thus "being more" secure to resize at the end, note that you should have a BACKUP, there are no guarantees (I guess, at less for me have worked, but I have control over what OS to install and what no, ie. "an assemble yourself your PC").

Q: How do I use gparted?
A: it is a graphical interface!!!, OK you can manipulate your whole hard disk structure, the changes will not be effectuated until you hit APPLY!!!, IIRC it warn you about "things" that can not be done with guarantee, but I dont remember.

Q: When Ubuntu is installed gparted isn't there?
A1: IIRC gparted is not installed, because it is needed for do the "preparation steps" of partitioning the HD, thus if you have already your system, they consider that is something that is not necessary to a user that will not move, change or reformat the partitions.
A2: Anyway, you can always installit via synaptic, or with the command in a terminal  « sudo apt-get install gparted »

Q: It is secure to use gparted?
A: yes, but there are no guarantees, thus, YOU SHOULD HAVE a backup of your whole disk in case of failure :roll:.

Q: Is there a live CD?
A: A GParted "live" CD is available at http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php

Also you can obtain more info about gparted in his home page http://gparted.sourceforge.net/

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Jmax (jmaxpjp2-aol) said on 2007-07-26:

#3

In a message dated 7/24/2007 5:42:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
<email address hidden> writes:

Your question #10312 on Ubuntu changed:
https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/10312

I have 40 GB free and would like to create another partition and use that
space to install Ubuntu, leaving my windows on the disk. Then set up dual boot.

I get very confused when it starts asking if I want to set up a primary
partition or a logical ,etc. and never know which to select.

If you could just give me 1,2,3 steps to create the new partition, I could
do it. I would then select that partition on which to install Ubuntu. Next I
would need 1,2,3 steps to create the dual boot so when I boot it would give me
a choice of booting to Windows XP or booting to Ubuntu.

I went back to the site above, but could not figure out how to put this on
that site.

Thank you for your help.

Jmax

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Jmax (jmaxpjp2-aol) said on 2007-07-26:

#4

Also, do you know if AOL 9.0 (for windows) can be installed and used on
Ubuntu?

Jmax

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David Arnoldo Ortiz Lozano (tyoc) said on 2007-07-27:

#5

I dont know about AOL, but there is GAIM http://gaim.sf.net that IRC come preinstalled for Ubuntu, but now watching the page look that it have changed from name...

I still dont get what mean "I have 40 GB free and would like to create another partition and use that space to install Ubuntu", I mean dont know if that is the free space that Windows say it is free or no.

The guide is as easy as:

NOTE about dual boot: one time that you terminate to install Ubuntu from the LiveCD you already will have a dual boot system, thus "use that space to install Ubuntu, leaving my windows on the disk. Then set up dual boot." is the same step, there is no "then".

0) You should have a back up of the important things in your syste, from http://gparted.sourceforge.net/faq.php you can see that is safe, but there are no guarantees
1) Boot from LiveCD of Ubuntu, run gparted (ALT+F2 and write gparted, hit OK)
1.1) gparted is a graphical application http://gparted.sourceforge.net/screenshots.php
1.1.1) you should be able to resize the Windows partition with the mouse!!! and an "action pending" will be added.

1.2) Practice AND DO NOT APPLY CHANGES!!!!
1.2.1) One practice session can be: delete all partitions, create a partition, exit the application without apply changes
1.2.2) Other session: delete all partitions, create a partition 5 primary partitions (IIRC you will be able to create only 1, because by definition of PARTITION TABLES, there can be only 4 primary partitions)... report back here how many the app let you create (primary partitions), now exit the app without apply changes
1.2.3) delete all, create 1 logical partition, create as many primary partitions as you can!!!, you will see that they are only 3, because a LOGICAL PARTITION is like a PRIMARY PARTITION with some extra features that I will show you in next session. Now exit the app without apply changes.
1.2.4) delete all, create 1 logical partition, inside the logical partition click with the mouse, now create a partition inside the LOGICAL PARTITION. what the!!!, yes LOGICAL PARTITIONS are ___workarounds___ for the maximun limit of 4 primary partitions!!! (old DOS partition tables set max to 4!!!!). Now exit the app without apply changes.
1.2.5) I hope you now see the diference between primary and logical partitions!, also I hope you now get used to gparted, and that IT DOSENT CHANGE YOUR HD until you hit APPLY CHANGES (or something like that), and the list of actions "queue" will be done in one run!. Now exit the app without apply changes.

1.3) Resizing Windows partition
1.3.1) Now open gparted, resize the Windows partition, resize at end (mean let the free space at the "end" of the disk http://gparted.sourceforge.net/screens/gparted_5_big.jpg that is the resize see the arrows... you can look the rest of images in the previous list of images), you can let without assign 10GB are enuf to install Ubuntu (even 5GB).
1.3.2) Apply changes! (THIS MOMENT IS THE 1 YOU WHANTED, and for what you learned to use gparted, and know prymary and logical partition)
1.3.3) TEST NOTE (optional): If you whant to check your Windows THIS IS THE MOMENT, if something bad has happened you will notice it in this moment!!!, restart your machine, eject the CD, let Windows start... it should start...

1.4) Time to install Ubuntu
1.4.1) start Ubuntu LiveCD, now click the install button in the desktop
1.4.2) gparted!!! within installation
1.4.2.1) in the free space, you need create 2 partitions 1 is where you will "mount" / (aka install the whole system there) and the other is the swap space. swap space is suguested to be twice the size of RAM, the other space is for the main partition select ext3, ext2 or reiserfs (any of them is OK, they are at end "only" file systems).
1.4.3) continue the installation and be happy :).

OK, this is "large" but in fact the concepts are what you need to get, and how to use gparted. See that you can launch gparted, and gparted is also embeded within the installation setup (but you already get used to it).

I dont know about AOL, but there is GAIM http://gaim.sf.net that IRC come preinstalled for Ubuntu, but now watching the page look that it have changed from name...

I still dont get what mean "I have 40 GB free and would like to create another partition and use that space to install Ubuntu", I mean dont know if that is the free space that Windows say it is free or no.

The guide is as easy as:

NOTE about dual boot: one time that you terminate to install Ubuntu from the LiveCD you already will have a dual boot system, thus "use that space to install Ubuntu, leaving my windows on the disk. Then set up dual boot." is the same step, there is no "then".

0) You should have a back up of the important things in your syste, from http://gparted.sourceforge.net/faq.php you can see that is safe, but there are no guarantees
1) Boot from LiveCD of Ubuntu, run gparted (ALT+F2 and write gparted, hit OK)
1.1) gparted is a graphical application http://gparted.sourceforge.net/screenshots.php
1.1.1) you should be able to resize the Windows partition with the mouse!!! and an "action pending" will be added.

1.2) Practice AND DO NOT APPLY CHANGES!!!!
1.2.1) One practice session can be: delete all partitions, create a partition, exit the application without apply changes
1.2.2) Other session: delete all partitions, create a partition 5 primary partitions (IIRC you will be able to create only 1, because by definition of PARTITION TABLES, there can be only 4 primary partitions)... report back here how many the app let you create (primary partitions), now exit the app without apply changes
1.2.3) delete all, create 1 logical partition, create as many primary partitions as you can!!!, you will see that they are only 3, because a LOGICAL PARTITION is like a PRIMARY PARTITION with some extra features that I will show you in next session. Now exit the app without apply changes.
1.2.4) delete all, create 1 logical partition, inside the logical partition click with the mouse, now create a partition inside the LOGICAL PARTITION. what the!!!, yes LOGICAL PARTITIONS are ___workarounds___ for the maximun limit of 4 primary partitions!!! (old DOS partition tables set max to 4!!!!). Now exit the app without apply changes.
1.2.5) I hope you now see the diference between primary and logical partitions!, also I hope you now get used to gparted, and that IT DOSENT CHANGE YOUR HD until you hit  APPLY CHANGES (or something like that), and the list of actions "queue" will be done in one run!. Now exit the app without apply changes.

1.3) Resizing Windows partition
1.3.1) Now open gparted, resize the Windows partition, resize at end (mean let the free space at the "end" of the disk http://gparted.sourceforge.net/screens/gparted_5_big.jpg that is the resize see the arrows... you can look the rest of images in the previous list of images), you can let without assign 10GB are enuf to install Ubuntu (even 5GB).
1.3.2) Apply changes! (THIS MOMENT IS THE 1 YOU WHANTED, and for what you learned to use gparted, and know prymary and logical partition)
1.3.3) TEST NOTE (optional): If you whant to check your Windows THIS IS THE MOMENT, if something bad has happened you will notice it in this moment!!!, restart your machine, eject the CD, let Windows start... it should start...

1.4) Time to install Ubuntu
1.4.1) start Ubuntu LiveCD, now click the install button in the desktop
1.4.2) gparted!!! within installation
1.4.2.1) in the free space, you need create 2 partitions 1 is where you will "mount" / (aka install the whole system there) and the other is the swap space. swap space is suguested to be twice the size of RAM, the other space is for the main partition select ext3, ext2 or reiserfs (any of them is OK, they are at end "only" file systems).
1.4.3) continue the installation and be happy :).

OK, this is "large" but in fact the concepts are what you need to get, and how to use gparted. See that you can launch gparted, and gparted is also embeded within the installation setup (but you already get used to it).

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Jmax (jmaxpjp2-aol) said on 2007-07-28:

#6

In a message dated 7/27/2007 2:01:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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Your question #10312 on Ubuntu changed:
https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/10312

Thank you very much. I will follow your instructions and then post.

Another question, if I may:

I have loaded some .mp3 and .mp4 files from my windows PC onto a flash drive
and attempted to play them on Ubuntu. Haven't been able to do this. I can
see the music in Rhythmbox Music Player and in the armarok that I added, but
neither allows me to "hear" the music. I see the sound waves but no sound...I
have sound when Ubuntu loads and other sounds play e.g. Buddy List in
GAIM,etc.

Can't play movies in Movie Maker and can't play music from commercial CD or
from music that plays in my PC using several different music programs such as
Windows Media Player, iTunes, Music Match,etc.

Any ideas?

Jmax

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Jim Hutchinson (jphutch) said on 2007-07-28:

#7

It would probably be best to keep each thread focused on one question. However, support for proprietary formats (such as mp3) is not included in Ubuntu by default because of licensing reasons. I did write a post to help others with installing multimedia support. I think it covers most of the issues.

http://nococomp.com/?p=18

Hope you find it useful.

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pitwalker (pitwalker) said on 2007-07-29:

#8

What is the progress?

for David Arnoldo Ortiz Lozano:
Ubuntu can resize partitions. This works, but dangerous,
i recommend using an uninterruptibble power supply during a partition resizing.
(or using the accumulator on notebook)

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Jmax (jmaxpjp2-aol) said on 2007-07-29:

#9

Thank you for the help of partitioning my hard drive to contain both Windows Xp and Ubuntu, but after reading some of the difficulties others have had, I've made the decision to leave well enough alone. I do have an extra computer on which I've installed ubuntu and it is working well. I will be doing a presentation on Ubuntu on August 8th for our advanced Computer Club group. Since that announcement went out, I've had a few people contact me that are using or interested in using Ubuntu. These are exciting times...like when we went from DOS to Win 3.1. Jmax

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Jmax (jmaxpjp2-aol) said on 2007-07-29:

#10

Also, I would like very much to become a participant in the Ubuntu project. I am considering the possibility of starting a Ubuntu Users Group, if there is enough interest. Jmax

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#11

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#12

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#13

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#14

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