MadGraph5_aMC@NLO

spinmode none not working

Asked by Sihyun Jeon

Hi Olivier,

I am currently testing heavy neutrino NLO generations [1] but I ran into an error I did not expect.

After doing "generate p p > n1 l [QCD]"
in MadSpin, I set like below :

set ms_dir ./madspingrid
set Nevents_for_max_weigth 250 # number of events for the estimate of the max. weight
set max_weight_ps_point 400 # number of PS to estimate the maximum for each event
set spinmode none
set max_running_process 1
decay n1 > ldecay w+
decay w+ > ldecay v
decay n1 > ldecay w-
decay w- > ldecay v

When removing spinmode none, it worked, but when it is set like this, it fails.
Is there any reason why this fails?
I thought that spinmode none only washes out the spin correlations but still works for 2 body decays in terms of sample generation.

Regards,
Sihyun.

[1] https://feynrules.irmp.ucl.ac.be/wiki/HeavyN

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launch
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/data9/Users/shjeon/MadGraph/CMSSW_9_3_16/src/MG5_aMC_v2_6_5/HeavyNeutrino_trilepton_M-1000_V-0.01_tau_NLO/bin/internal/extended_cmd.py", line 1514, in onecmd
    return self.onecmd_orig(line, **opt)
  File "/data9/Users/shjeon/MadGraph/CMSSW_9_3_16/src/MG5_aMC_v2_6_5/HeavyNeutrino_trilepton_M-1000_V-0.01_tau_NLO/bin/internal/extended_cmd.py", line 1463, in onecmd_orig
    return func(arg, **opt)
  File "/data9/Users/shjeon/MadGraph/CMSSW_9_3_16/src/MG5_aMC_v2_6_5/HeavyNeutrino_trilepton_M-1000_V-0.01_tau_NLO/bin/internal/amcatnlo_run_interface.py", line 1693, in do_launch
    self.exec_cmd('decay_events -from_cards', postcmd=False)
  File "/data9/Users/shjeon/MadGraph/CMSSW_9_3_16/src/MG5_aMC_v2_6_5/HeavyNeutrino_trilepton_M-1000_V-0.01_tau_NLO/bin/internal/extended_cmd.py", line 1543, in exec_cmd
    stop = Cmd.onecmd_orig(current_interface, line, **opt)
  File "/data9/Users/shjeon/MadGraph/CMSSW_9_3_16/src/MG5_aMC_v2_6_5/HeavyNeutrino_trilepton_M-1000_V-0.01_tau_NLO/bin/internal/extended_cmd.py", line 1463, in onecmd_orig
    return func(arg, **opt)
  File "/data9/Users/shjeon/MadGraph/CMSSW_9_3_16/src/MG5_aMC_v2_6_5/HeavyNeutrino_trilepton_M-1000_V-0.01_tau_NLO/bin/internal/common_run_interface.py", line 3687, in do_decay_events
    madspin_cmd.import_command_file(path)
  File "/data9/Users/shjeon/MadGraph/CMSSW_9_3_16/src/MG5_aMC_v2_6_5/madgraph/interface/extended_cmd.py", line 1660, in import_command_file
    self.exec_cmd(line, precmd=True)
  File "/data9/Users/shjeon/MadGraph/CMSSW_9_3_16/src/MG5_aMC_v2_6_5/madgraph/interface/extended_cmd.py", line 1543, in exec_cmd
    stop = Cmd.onecmd_orig(current_interface, line, **opt)
  File "/data9/Users/shjeon/MadGraph/CMSSW_9_3_16/src/MG5_aMC_v2_6_5/madgraph/interface/extended_cmd.py", line 1463, in onecmd_orig
    return func(arg, **opt)
  File "/data9/Users/shjeon/MadGraph/CMSSW_9_3_16/src/MG5_aMC_v2_6_5/madgraph/various/misc.py", line 100, in f_with_no_logger
    out = f(self, *args, **opt)
  File "/data9/Users/shjeon/MadGraph/CMSSW_9_3_16/src/MG5_aMC_v2_6_5/MadSpin/interface_madspin.py", line 574, in do_launch
    return self.run_bridge(line)
  File "/data9/Users/shjeon/MadGraph/CMSSW_9_3_16/src/MG5_aMC_v2_6_5/MadSpin/interface_madspin.py", line 852, in run_bridge
    evt_decayfile[pdg] = self.generate_events(pdg, min(nb_needed,100000), mg5)
  File "/data9/Users/shjeon/MadGraph/CMSSW_9_3_16/src/MG5_aMC_v2_6_5/MadSpin/interface_madspin.py", line 1266, in generate_events
    out[i] = lhe_parser.EventFile(pjoin(decay_dir, 'events.lhe.gz'))
  File "/data9/Users/shjeon/MadGraph/CMSSW_9_3_16/src/MG5_aMC_v2_6_5/madgraph/various/lhe_parser.py", line 210, in __init__
    super(EventFile, self).__init__(path, mode, *args, **opt)
  File "/cvmfs/cms.cern.ch/slc6_amd64_gcc630/external/python/2.7.11-mlhled2/lib/python2.7/gzip.py", line 94, in __init__
    fileobj = self.myfileobj = __builtin__.open(filename, mode or 'rb')
IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/data9/Users/shjeon/MadGraph/CMSSW_9_3_16/src/MG5_aMC_v2_6_5/HeavyNeutrino_trilepton_M-1000_V-0.01_tau_NLO/madspingrid/decay_9900012_0/events.lhe.gz'
Related File: /data9/Users/shjeon/MadGraph/CMSSW_9_3_16/src/MG5_aMC_v2_6_5/HeavyNeutrino_trilepton_M-1000_V-0.01_tau_NLO/madspingrid/decay_9900012_0/events.lhe.gz
Value of current Options:
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set default_unset_couplings 99
set group_subprocesses Auto
set ignore_six_quark_processes False
set loop_optimized_output True
set loop_color_flows False
set gauge unitary
set complex_mass_scheme False
set max_npoint_for_channel 0
import model sm
define p = g u c d s u~ c~ d~ s~
define j = g u c d s u~ c~ d~ s~
define l+ = e+ mu+
define l- = e- mu-
define vl = ve vm vt
define vl~ = ve~ vm~ vt~
set group_subprocesses Auto
set ignore_six_quark_processes False
set loop_optimized_output True
set loop_color_flows False
set gauge unitary
set complex_mass_scheme False
set max_npoint_for_channel 0
import model sm
define p = g u c d s u~ c~ d~ s~
define j = g u c d s u~ c~ d~ s~
define l+ = ta+
define ldecay+ = e+ mu+ ta+
define l- = ta-
define ldecay- = e- mu- ta-
define l = l+ l-
define ldecay = ldecay+ ldecay-
define vl = ve vm vt
define vl~ = ve~ vm~ vt~
define v = vl vl~
define w = w- w+
import model SM_HeavyN_NLO
define p = 21 2 4 1 3 -2 -4 -1 -3 5 -5 # pass to 5 flavors
define p = p b b~
define j = p
generate p p > n1 l [QCD]
output HeavyNeutrino_trilepton_M-1000_V-0.01_tau_NLO -nojpeg
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## PARAM_CARD AUTOMATICALY GENERATED BY MG5 ####
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## INFORMATION FOR LOOP
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BLOCK LOOP #
      1 9.118800e+01 # mu_r
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## INFORMATION FOR MASS
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BLOCK MASS #
      6 1.733000e+02 # mt
      23 9.118760e+01 # mz
      25 1.257000e+02 # mh
      9900012 1.000000e+03 # mn1
      9900014 5.000000e+02 # mn2
      9900016 1.000000e+03 # mn3
      1 0.000000e+00 # d : 0.0
      2 0.000000e+00 # u : 0.0
      3 0.000000e+00 # s : 0.0
      4 0.000000e+00 # c : 0.0
      5 0.000000e+00 # b : 0.0
      11 0.000000e+00 # e- : 0.0
      12 0.000000e+00 # ve : 0.0
      13 0.000000e+00 # mu- : 0.0
      14 0.000000e+00 # vm : 0.0
      15 0.000000e+00 # ta- : 0.0
      16 0.000000e+00 # vt : 0.0
      21 0.000000e+00 # g : 0.0
      22 0.000000e+00 # a : 0.0
      24 7.995123e+01 # w+ : cmath.sqrt(mz__exp__2/2. + cmath.sqrt(mz__exp__4/4. - (aew*cmath.pi*mz__exp__2)/(gf*sqrt__2)))
      9000002 9.118760e+01 # ghz : mz
      9000003 7.995123e+01 # ghwp : mw
      9000004 7.995123e+01 # ghwm : mw
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BLOCK NUMIXING #
      1 0.000000e+00 # ven1
      2 0.000000e+00 # ven2
      3 0.000000e+00 # ven3
      4 0.000000e+00 # vmun1
      5 0.000000e+00 # vmun2
      6 0.000000e+00 # vmun3
      7 1.000000e-02 # vtan1
      8 0.000000e+00 # vtan2
      9 0.000000e+00 # vtan3
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## INFORMATION FOR SMINPUTS
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BLOCK SMINPUTS #
      1 1.279400e+02 # aewm1
      2 1.174560e-05 # gf
      3 1.184000e-01 # as
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BLOCK YUKAWA #
      6 1.733000e+02 # ymt
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## INFORMATION FOR DECAY
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BLOCK QNUMBERS 9000001 # gha
      1 0 # 3 times electric charge
      2 1 # number of spin states (2s+1)
      3 1 # colour rep (1: singlet, 3: triplet, 8: octet)
      4 1 # particle/antiparticle distinction (0=own anti)
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## INFORMATION FOR QNUMBERS 9000002
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BLOCK QNUMBERS 9000002 # ghz
      1 0 # 3 times electric charge
      2 1 # number of spin states (2s+1)
      3 1 # colour rep (1: singlet, 3: triplet, 8: octet)
      4 1 # particle/antiparticle distinction (0=own anti)
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## INFORMATION FOR QNUMBERS 9000003
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BLOCK QNUMBERS 9000003 # ghwp
      1 3 # 3 times electric charge
      2 1 # number of spin states (2s+1)
      3 1 # colour rep (1: singlet, 3: triplet, 8: octet)
      4 1 # particle/antiparticle distinction (0=own anti)
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## INFORMATION FOR QNUMBERS 9000004
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BLOCK QNUMBERS 9000004 # ghwm
      1 -3 # 3 times electric charge
      2 1 # number of spin states (2s+1)
      3 1 # colour rep (1: singlet, 3: triplet, 8: octet)
      4 1 # particle/antiparticle distinction (0=own anti)
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## INFORMATION FOR QNUMBERS 82
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BLOCK QNUMBERS 82 # ghg
      1 0 # 3 times electric charge
      2 1 # number of spin states (2s+1)
      3 8 # colour rep (1: singlet, 3: triplet, 8: octet)
      4 1 # particle/antiparticle distinction (0=own anti)
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BLOCK QNUMBERS 9900012 # n1
      1 0 # 3 times electric charge
      2 2 # number of spin states (2s+1)
      3 1 # colour rep (1: singlet, 3: triplet, 8: octet)
      4 0 # particle/antiparticle distinction (0=own anti)
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BLOCK QNUMBERS 9900014 # n2
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      2 2 # number of spin states (2s+1)
      3 1 # colour rep (1: singlet, 3: triplet, 8: octet)
      4 0 # particle/antiparticle distinction (0=own anti)
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BLOCK QNUMBERS 9900016 # n3
      1 0 # 3 times electric charge
      2 2 # number of spin states (2s+1)
      3 1 # colour rep (1: singlet, 3: triplet, 8: octet)
      4 0 # particle/antiparticle distinction (0=own anti)
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   3.270083e-03 3 -11 11 23 # 3.22370046974e-06
   3.270083e-03 3 -13 13 23 # 3.22370046974e-06
   3.270083e-03 3 -15 15 23 # 3.22370046974e-06
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# PDG Width
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# PDG Width
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# PDG Width
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# BR NDA ID1 ID2 ...
   2.519728e-01 2 24 15 # 0.0330420751688
   2.519728e-01 2 -24 -15 # 0.0330420751688
   1.259758e-01 2 23 16 # 0.0165196475693
   1.259758e-01 2 23 -16 # 0.0165196475693
   1.220514e-01 2 25 16 # 0.0160050272619
   1.220514e-01 2 25 -16 # 0.0160050272619
#
# PDG Width
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# Cuts on the jets *
# Jet clustering is performed by FastJet.
# When matching to a parton shower, these generation cuts should be *
# considerably softer than the analysis cuts. *
# (more specific cuts can be specified in SubProcesses/cuts.f) *
#***********************************************************************
  1.0 = jetalgo ! FastJet jet algorithm (1=kT, 0=C/A, -1=anti-kT)
  0.7 = jetradius ! The radius parameter for the jet algorithm
  0.0 = ptj ! Min jet transverse momentum
  -1.0 = etaj ! Max jet abs(pseudo-rap) (a value .lt.0 means no cut)
#***********************************************************************
# Cuts on the charged leptons (e+, e-, mu+, mu-, tau+ and tau-) *
# (more specific gen cuts can be specified in SubProcesses/cuts.f) *
#***********************************************************************
  0.0 = ptl ! Min lepton transverse momentum
  -1.0 = etal ! Max lepton abs(pseudo-rap) (a value .lt.0 means no cut)
  0.0 = drll ! Min distance between opposite sign lepton pairs
  0.0 = drll_sf ! Min distance between opp. sign same-flavor lepton pairs
  0.0 = mll ! Min inv. mass of all opposite sign lepton pairs
  4.0 = mll_sf ! Min inv. mass of all opp. sign same-flavor lepton pairs
#***********************************************************************
# Photon-isolation cuts, according to hep-ph/9801442 *
# When ptgmin=0, all the other parameters are ignored *
#***********************************************************************
  0.0 = ptgmin ! Min photon transverse momentum
  -1.0 = etagamma ! Max photon abs(pseudo-rap)
  0.4 = R0gamma ! Radius of isolation code
  1.0 = xn ! n parameter of eq.(3.4) in hep-ph/9801442
  1.0 = epsgamma ! epsilon_gamma parameter of eq.(3.4) in hep-ph/9801442
  True = isoEM ! isolate photons from EM energy (photons and leptons)
#***********************************************************************
# Maximal PDG code for quark to be considered a jet when applying cuts.*
# At least all massless quarks of the model should be included here. *
#***********************************************************************
  5 = maxjetflavor
 #***********************************************************************
# For aMCfast+APPLGRID use in PDF fitting (http://amcfast.hepforge.org)*
#***********************************************************************
  0 = iappl ! aMCfast switch (0=OFF, 1=prepare APPLgrids, 2=fill grids)
#***********************************************************************

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Olivier Mattelaer (olivier-mattelaer) said : 		#1

Hi,

1. Is it really the syntax that you want? Or do you want that one?
decay n1 > ldecay w+, ldecay v
decay n1 > ldecay w-, w- > ldecay v

(in your syntax the w- are not decay by madspin)

2. Could you try with the latest version? I doubt that it helps but this worth the try.

> When removing spinmode none, it worked, but when it is set like this, it fails.
Is there any reason why this fails?
I thought that spinmode none only washes out the spin correlations but still works for 2 body decays in terms of sample generation.

Well behind the curtain, this flag is actually running a completely different code which has quite few overlap with the standard madspin (mainly the interface, not even the method to read/write the events actually). This is why the limitation of the normal madspin and of the spinmode=none are so different.

Cheers,

Olivier

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Sihyun Jeon (shjeon) said : 		#2

Hi Olivier,

I have one more question..

(1) decay n1 > ldecay w+, w+ > ldecay v
(2) decay n1 > ldecay w+ AND decay w+ > ldecay v

For (1), are both n1 and w+ decay by madspin? Or is it only w+ decay by madspin, but not n1?
For (2) are both n1 and w+ not a decay by madspin?

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Olivier Mattelaer (olivier-mattelaer) said : 		#3

let put three syntax:

1. decay n1 > ldecay w+, w+ > ldecay v

2. decay n1 > ldecay w+, w+ > ldecay v
 decay w+ > ldecay v

3. decay n1 > ldecay w+
decay w+ > ldecay v

Now the first step is to look at your production matrix element:
in your case (let's forget NLO here) :
generate p p > n1 l

You have two particles in your final states: n1 and l
in all three syntax, you ask to decay "n1" and we apply such decay so with
1. it is a sequence of two two-body decay
with 2. it is the same decay as in 1
with 3. we decay it in a two body decay [NO decay of the W here!!]

then we look at "l" and you do not ask to decay it, so we do nothing.

If your process was
generate p p > n1 l w+ w-
Then in addition of the n1 decay (same as above) you would also have the decay of the W with the syntax 2 and 3. (but not with syntax 1)

Cheers,

Olivier

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Sihyun Jeon (shjeon) said : 		#4

Hi Olivier,
Thanks for the kind answers.

Apart from this, I have another question regarding MadSpin.
I wonder if you remember the problem I had when using spinmode onshell.
https://answers.launchpad.net/mg5amcnlo/+question/662694

The problem was, in short,
when I expect (from BSM theory) and get (by using spinmode none) 1:1 SS and OS dileptons,
I get (by using spinmode onshell) not 1:1, it was 49.30 : 50.70.
Was there any fix applied to MadSpin afterwards for this kind of issue?
Or possibly, do you not consider this as a problem, instead a problem from perhaps the UFO model card?

Regards,
Sihyun.

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Olivier Mattelaer (olivier-mattelaer) said : 		#5

Did you made a run without NWA in order to check that ratio?
I'm still not convinced that the ratio should really be 1:1 (and that NWA is really valid in that case)

Concerning the code, I do not think that we change anything to it.

Cheers,

Olivier

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Sihyun Jeon (shjeon) said : 		#6

Sorry Olivier, how do I "run without NWA"?

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Olivier Mattelaer (olivier-mattelaer) said : 		#7

You can do
generate p p > l ldecay ldecay v

Cheers,

Olivier

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Sihyun Jeon (shjeon) said : 		#8

Hi, thanks for suggestion

I will check this by doing
generate p p > n1 > l l j j
since generate p p > l1 l2 l3 v, this gives you l2l3v 3body decay, I cannot distinguish which l2 or l3 is attached to n1.
But by p p > n1 > l l j j it's pretty much obvious that 2 leptons are both attached to n1.

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Sihyun Jeon (shjeon) said : 		#9

Hi Olivier,

I tried several things (using v265)

1. NLO + MadSpin (spinmode none)
define mu = mu+ mu- -> MadGraph
generate p p > n1 mu [QCD] -> MadGraph
set spinmode none -> MadSpin
decay n1 > mu j j -> MadSpin

This gave me 50:50 = SS:OS.

2. NLO + MadSpin (spinmode onshell)
define mu = mu+ mu- -> MadGraph
generate p p > n1 mu [QCD] -> MadGraph
set spinmode onshell -> MadSpin
decay n1 > mu j j -> MadSpin

This gave me 47:53 = SS:OS
(Sorry I wrote "it was 49.30 : 50.70." above, my memories were not clear)

3. LO
define mu = mu+ mu-
generate p p > n1 > mu mu j j

This gave me 50:50 = SS:OS
Cross section was also stable, compared to NLO cross sections, the difference was only about 20% which I guess it's okay considering the k-factors. Thus, the events were correctly made for the diagrams that I've targetted "p p > w > mu n1, (n1 > mu j j)".

100K events were made and checked its charge ratios so I don't think the stat is an issue here.

So based on these results, only NLO+onshell giving me not 50:50, how could we interpret this behaviour?

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Olivier Mattelaer (olivier-mattelaer) said : 		#10

Interesting, this is a clear indication that something is not valid with the onshell model of madspin.

Cheers,

Olivier

> On 16 Aug 2020, at 12:05, Sihyun Jeon <email address hidden> wrote:
>
> Question #692130 on MadGraph5_aMC@NLO changed:
> https://answers.launchpad.net/mg5amcnlo/+question/692130
>
> Status: Answered => Open
>
> Sihyun Jeon is still having a problem:
> Hi Olivier,
>
> I tried several things (using v265)
>
> 1. NLO + MadSpin (spinmode none)
> define mu = mu+ mu- -> MadGraph
> generate p p > n1 mu [QCD] -> MadGraph
> set spinmode none -> MadSpin
> decay n1 > mu j j -> MadSpin
>
> This gave me 50:50 = SS:OS.
>
> 2. NLO + MadSpin (spinmode onshell)
> define mu = mu+ mu- -> MadGraph
> generate p p > n1 mu [QCD] -> MadGraph
> set spinmode onshell -> MadSpin
> decay n1 > mu j j -> MadSpin
>
> This gave me 47:53 = SS:OS
> (Sorry I wrote "it was 49.30 : 50.70." above, my memories were not clear)
>
> 3. LO
> define mu = mu+ mu-
> generate p p > n1 > mu mu j j
>
> This gave me 50:50 = SS:OS
> Cross section was also stable, compared to NLO cross sections, the difference was only about 20% which I guess it's okay considering the k-factors. Thus, the events were correctly made for the diagrams that I've targetted "p p > w > mu n1, (n1 > mu j j)".
>
> 100K events were made and checked its charge ratios so I don't think the
> stat is an issue here.
>
> So based on these results, only NLO+onshell giving me not 50:50, how
> could we interpret this behaviour?
>
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Olivier Mattelaer (olivier-mattelaer) said : 		#11

See https://bugs.launchpad.net/mg5amcnlo/+bug/1951120
for a likely solution.

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