N(e-) or N(e+) distribution is not coming

Hi Shiba,

There may be a problem with your delphes card in the electron reconstruction efficiency module. What this means is that there is zero electron/positron recontructed by delphes.

Cheers,

Benjamin

On 21 May 2016, at 18:46 , shibasipu <email address hidden> wrote:

> New question #294016 on MadAnalysis 5:
> https://answers.launchpad.net/madanalysis5/+question/294016
>
> Hi Benjamin,
> I have generated events for 4 lepton+bb~ final states. I am analysing .root files (obtained using CMS Delphes Card).
> While plotting N(e-) or N(e-), all the events are distributed at N(e-)=0 or N(e+)= 0. Please suggest where could be the mistake.

Hi Benjamin,
                           Thanks. I was using the inbuilt CMS Delphes card. I think earlier you have said that this card is properly validated. Then which card should I use for final states involving 4leptons and 2b-quarks ?

Another thing, for 100 TeV collider, which card one should use for final states involving 4leptons and 2b-quarks ?

Regards,
Shiba

Hi Shiba,

> Thanks. I was using the inbuilt CMS Delphes card. I think earlier you have said that this card is properly validated. Then which card should I use for final states involving 4leptons and 2b-quarks ?
Try cms-ma5tune instead of just cms. This should fix your problem.

> Another thing, for 100 TeV collider, which card one should use for
> final states involving 4leptons and 2b-quarks ?
We have no special card for the FCC. The best would be to start from the card shipped with delphes.

Cheers,

Benj

Hi Benjamin,

       >>Try cms-ma5tune instead of just cms. This should fix your problem
Are you saying the following line in my script file while obtaining the .root files

set main.fastsim.package = delphesma5tune
set main.fastsim.detector = cms-ma5tune

  >>We have no special card for the FCC. The best would be to start from the card shipped with delphes.
There is one card in the folder tools/delphes/cards i.e. delphes_card_FCC.tcl . Are you saying to use this card ?

Regards,
Shiba

Hi,

>>> Try cms-ma5tune instead of just cms. This should fix your problem
> Are you saying the following line in my script file while obtaining the .root files
>
> set main.fastsim.package = delphesma5tune
> set main.fastsim.detector = cms-ma5tune
Yes.

>
>>> We have no special card for the FCC. The best would be to start from the card shipped with delphes.
> There is one card in the folder tools/delphes/cards i.e. delphes_card_FCC.tcl . Are you saying to use this card ?
For instance.

Cheers,

Benjamin

Hi Benjamin,
                          I am using the following script to obtain the .root files. But, the following error message is coming.
Script
============
set main.fastsim.package = delphesMA5tune
set main.fastsim.detector = cms-MA5tune
import /home/shiba/SHIBA/2HDM/SAMPLE/hepFiles_withoutCUT/gg2h2_cascade_4l2b_withoutCUT_100TeV.hep.gz as Signal
import /home/shiba/SHIBA/2HDM/SAMPLE/hepFiles_withoutCUTS/pp2ZZbbbar_4l2b_withoutCUT_100TeV.hep.gz as ZZbb
import /home/shiba/SHIBA/2HDM/SAMPLE/hepFiles_withoutCUTS/pp2ttbarZ_4l2bMET_withoutCUT_100TeV.hep.gz as ttbarZ
submit

ERROR MESSAGE
==================
 ** ERROR: algorithm called 'cms-MA5tune' is not found.

Regards,
Shiba

Hi Shiba,

You should use delphes and not delphesMA5tune. Once the delphes fastsim is selected, you can load a delphes card that is called cms-MA5tune.

Cheers,

Benj

On 23 May 2016, at 19:32 , shibasipu <email address hidden> wrote:

> Question #294016 on MadAnalysis 5 changed:
> https://answers.launchpad.net/madanalysis5/+question/294016
>
> Status: Answered => Open
>
> shibasipu is still having a problem:
> Hi Benjamin,
> I am using the following script to obtain the .root files. But, the following error message is coming.
> Script
> ============
> set main.fastsim.package = delphesMA5tune
> set main.fastsim.detector = cms-MA5tune
> import /home/shiba/SHIBA/2HDM/SAMPLE/hepFiles_withoutCUT/gg2h2_cascade_4l2b_withoutCUT_100TeV.hep.gz as Signal
> import /home/shiba/SHIBA/2HDM/SAMPLE/hepFiles_withoutCUTS/pp2ZZbbbar_4l2b_withoutCUT_100TeV.hep.gz as ZZbb
> import /home/shiba/SHIBA/2HDM/SAMPLE/hepFiles_withoutCUTS/pp2ttbarZ_4l2bMET_withoutCUT_100TeV.hep.gz as ttbarZ
> submit
>
> ERROR MESSAGE
> ==================
> ** ERROR: algorithm called 'cms-MA5tune' is not found.
>
> Regards,
> Shiba
>
> --
> You received this question notification because you are an answer
> contact for MadAnalysis 5.

Hi Benjamin,
                         apologizing for lengthing this thread.
 >>>Once the delphes fastsim is selected, you can load a delphes card that is called cms-MA5tune.
it is asking to edit the delphes card. I am not editing anything. I am using the inbuilt one. Hope, it is ok.(Would you like to edit the Delphes Card ? (Y/N)
Answer: N)

Regards,
Shiba

Hi Shiba,

But you need to use delphes and not delphes-MA5tune.

Cheers.

Benjamin

On 24 May 2016, at 15:02 , shibasipu <email address hidden> wrote:

> Question #294016 on MadAnalysis 5 changed:
> https://answers.launchpad.net/madanalysis5/+question/294016
>
> Status: Answered => Open
>
> shibasipu is still having a problem:
> Hi Benjamin,
> apologizing for lengthing this thread.
>>>> Once the delphes fastsim is selected, you can load a delphes card that is called cms-MA5tune.
> it is asking to edit the delphes card. I am not editing anything. I am using the inbuilt one. Hope, it is ok.(Would you like to edit the Delphes Card ? (Y/N)
> Answer: N)
>
>
> Regards,
> Shiba
>
> --
> You received this question notification because you are an answer
> contact for MadAnalysis 5.

 Hi Benjamin,
                             Now, I have two further queries.

1. Now, I have obtained the distributions by using the .root files obtained from inbuilt Delphes Card and MA5 tuned Delphes card.
In the latter case, N(e-) , N(e+) distribution is coming. But the distributions related to leptons are coming entirely different. Which one is correct ? If you want, I can send the plots. Please suggest some help.

2. What are these Ma5 tuned cards ? what is the difference between the inbuilt Delphes Card and MA5 tuned Delphes card ?

Regards,
Shiba

Hi Shiba,

> 1. Now, I have obtained the distributions by using the .root files obtained from inbuilt Delphes Card and MA5 tuned Delphes card.
> In the latter case, N(e-) , N(e+) distribution is coming. But the distributions related to leptons are coming entirely different. Which one is correct ? If you want, I can send the plots. Please suggest some help.
I do not know. It depends what is studied. Both may be correct.

> 2. What are these Ma5 tuned cards ? what is the difference between the inbuilt Delphes Card and MA5 tuned Delphes card ?
We modified a few efficiencies and changed a couple of modules.

Cheers

Benj

Hi Benjamin,
                         thanks. again sorry for lengthing this thread.
As I have mentioned, in the inbuilt delphes card case N(e-),N(e+) distribution is not coming.
is it OK ? or if possible, what could be the reason for absence of the distribution for N(e-),N(e+).

>>Both may be correct.

would you like to see the distributions in both the cases ? I am bit worried for the lepton distributions in both the cases.

Regards,
Shiba

Hi Shiba,

I am confused. Could you please confirm that you use delphes with the cms-ma5tune card and that you get empty distributions for both the number of electrons and positrons? If yes, could you please share an hepmc/stdhep file with O(50) events so that I could check myself?

Cheers,

Benjamin

> shibasipu is still having a problem:
> Hi Benjamin,
> thanks. again sorry for lengthing this thread.
> As I have mentioned, in the inbuilt delphes card case N(e-),N(e+) distribution is not coming.
> is it OK ? or if possible, what could be the reason for absence of the distribution for N(e-),N(e+).
>
>
>>> Both may be correct.
>
> would you like to see the distributions in both the cases ? I am bit
> worried for the lepton distributions in both the cases.
>
>
> Regards,
> Shiba
>
> --
> You received this question notification because you are an answer
> contact for MadAnalysis 5.

Hi Benjamin,
                            thanks.

 >>Could you please confirm that you use delphes with the cms-ma5tune card and that you get empty distributions >>for both the number of electrons and positrons?
no, when I have used delphes with the cms-ma5tune card, I am getting a non-empty distributions for both the number of electrons and positrons.

My worry is with 1. lepton distributions obtained using CMS delphes card and cms-ma5tune card are coming different.
                                2. why empty distributions is coming for both the number of electrons and positrons in case of CMS delphes card ? Is it accepted ?

Regards,
Shiba

Hi Shiba,

> My worry is with 1. lepton distributions obtained using CMS delphes card and cms-ma5tune card are coming different.
> 2. why empty distributions is coming for both the number of electrons and positrons in case of CMS delphes card ? Is it accepted ?
The lepton efficiencies need to be changed in the card. Otherwise zero are produced, as you have noticed. We tuned the ma5tune cards and we are sure that those ones give meaningful results. In the othercase, it is up to the user to tune his/her own card.

Cheers,

Benj

Hi Benjamin,
                         Again sorry for lengthing this thread. Please comment on the first query on the previous thread i.e.
1. lepton distributions obtained using CMS delphes card and cms-ma5tune card are coming different. which one to trust ?

Additional Info : tail of pT distribution of lepton is entirely different although I have plotted the pT distribution of lepton with same range with same no. of bins. (From this observation, both can not be true. What to you think ?)

Regards,
Shiba

Hi Shiba,

> Again sorry for lengthing this thread. Please comment on the first query on the previous thread i.e.
> 1. lepton distributions obtained using CMS delphes card and cms-ma5tune card are coming different. which one to trust ?
None. It depends what you want to do. Please check (both) detector card and verify that the lepton efficiencies in there satisfy your needs.

>
> Additional Info : tail of pT distribution of lepton is entirely
> different although I have plotted the pT distribution of lepton with
> same range with same no. of bins. (From this observation, both can not
> be true. What to you think ?)
They can both be correct. The two cards have different lepton reconstruction efficiencies. Therefore, the properties of the reconstructed leptons may be different.

Regards,

Benjamin