Modéliser un fluide hydraulique

Hello,

> in YADE is there a way ...

yes.

Cheers
Jan

Thanks!

Le lun. 20 déc. 2021 à 23:25, Jan Stránský <
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>
> > in YADE is there a way ...
>
> yes.
>
> Cheers
> Jan
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Disclaimer: the "yes" answer is of the same ambiguity level as your question.

The proper answer depends very much on the definitions of "in YADE", "a way", "to model", "a hydraulic fluid", "like", "in", "a hydraulic pump" and "a hydraulic turbine".

One form of "yes, there is a way..." is that you will have to implement all he features into Yade yourself from scratch.
But it is "a way" :-)

To get more valuable answer, please read [1], then read [1] again very carefully.
Then read [1] even more carefully and (please, finally) start to follow the instructions.
So far, pointing you to [1] seems to have no or too little effect [2,3,4].. The same topic is questioned for the 4th time and still you gave almost no additional information about your problem, as asked several times [3,4].

Cheers
Jan

[1] https://www.yade-dem.org/wiki/Howtoask
[2] https://answers.launchpad.net/yade/+question/699889
[3] https://answers.launchpad.net/yade/+question/699902
[4] https://answers.launchpad.net/yade/+question/699908

Since you said that it is possible to model a hyrdaulic fluid in YADE;
how can I do that also since I am new to programming and in YADE.
Please give me some possible solutions to my problem.
Hello!

Le mar. 21 déc. 2021 à 09:45, HANS MPOYO BWISHITA <
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> Your question #699932 on Yade changed:
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>
> Status: Answered => Open
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> You are still having a problem:
> Thanks!
>
> Le lun. 20 déc. 2021 à 23:25, Jan Stránský <
> <email address hidden>> a écrit :
>
> > Your question #699932 on Yade changed:
> > https://answers.launchpad.net/yade/+question/699932
> >
> > Status: Open => Answered
> >
> > Jan Stránský proposed the following answer:
> > Hello,
> >
> > > in YADE is there a way ...
> >
> > yes.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Jan
> >
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> Since you said that it is possible to model a hyrdaulic fluid in YADE;

Definitely.
In an extreme case, it is possible to model a hydraulic fluid in pure Python, so it is also possible in Yade.
Information of no value, but as described above, on the same quality level as your question.

To get an answer with value greater than zero, please provide (muuuuch) more information, e.g.:
- something about yourself, your background ...
- if/what you have tried already
- the scope of the task:
    - university/industry
    - one month short project/PhD topic ...)
- etc. etc.

To improve the question, please describe what exactly means (got from the OP):
- in YADE: why Yade? Why not dedicated software to "hydraulic fluid"? What you expect from Yade compared to alternatives?
- a way: using existing features? implementing a new features? ... ?
- to model: any idea of a numerical method to be used? or just using it as a black box? what scales, times, volumes...? What should be the output? ... ?
- a hydraulic fluid: compressible/incompressible? what properties? under what conditions? ... ?
- a hydraulic pump: any link, image, ... ?
- a hydraulic turbine: any link, image, ... ?

> Please give me some possible solutions to my problem.

Please, as you were asked many times already, first you describe properly (i.e. with much more details) what your problem actually is. Otherwise see below the proposed solution to your problem.

> how can I do that

Without more information, the best answer we can give is:
You choose a suitable numerical method(s) for your problem(s), implement to Yade non-existent features if needed, and write a script doing what you need.

Cheers
Jan

PS: as usually, please read [1] ...

Hello.
I read you with great interest and above all [1]. since you said that
it is possible to model hydraulic oil as in the case of a pump and a
turbine. could you give me show me the modeling process and also how
the script will be in the case of a pump (you can randomly choose an
example representing a pump; and a turbine). the idea I have is to see
how you managed to do the modeling and how the script will be
presented. and thanks to this approach I will be able to adapt to my
problematic, because it is quite complex. be sure if he understands
you correctly this time and give me a favorable response.

Le mar. 21 déc. 2021 à 13:25, Jan Stránský <
<email address hidden>> a écrit :

> Your question #699932 on Yade changed:
> https://answers.launchpad.net/yade/+question/699932
>
> Status: Open => Answered
>
> Jan Stránský proposed the following answer:
> > Since you said that it is possible to model a hyrdaulic fluid in YADE;
>
> Definitely.
> In an extreme case, it is possible to model a hydraulic fluid in pure
> Python, so it is also possible in Yade.
> Information of no value, but as described above, on the same quality level
> as your question.
>
> To get an answer with value greater than zero, please provide (muuuuch)
> more information, e.g.:
> - something about yourself, your background ...
> - if/what you have tried already
> - the scope of the task:
> - university/industry
> - one month short project/PhD topic ...)
> - etc. etc.
>
> To improve the question, please describe what exactly means (got from the
> OP):
> - in YADE: why Yade? Why not dedicated software to "hydraulic fluid"? What
> you expect from Yade compared to alternatives?
> - a way: using existing features? implementing a new features? ... ?
> - to model: any idea of a numerical method to be used? or just using it as
> a black box? what scales, times, volumes...? What should be the output? ...
> ?
> - a hydraulic fluid: compressible/incompressible? what properties? under
> what conditions? ... ?
> - a hydraulic pump: any link, image, ... ?
> - a hydraulic turbine: any link, image, ... ?
>
> > Please give me some possible solutions to my problem.
>
> Please, as you were asked many times already, first you describe
> properly (i.e. with much more details) what your problem actually is.
> Otherwise see below the proposed solution to your problem.
>
> > how can I do that
>
> Without more information, the best answer we can give is:
> You choose a suitable numerical method(s) for your problem(s), implement
> to Yade non-existent features if needed, and write a script doing what you
> need.
>
> Cheers
> Jan
>
> PS: as usually, please read [1] ...
>
> --
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> following page to enter your feedback:
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> I read you with great interest and above all [1]

Perfect.
Next, apart from just reading, please start to follow the instructions.
If you are asked a question, please answer it (otherwise the following conversation really does not make any sense).

> since you said that it is possible to model hydraulic oil

No. I said that is is possible to model a hydraulic fluid.
Oil is mentioned for the first time here.
Just to emphasize the ambiguity of your question.

> could you give me show me the modeling process and also how the script will be in the case of a pump (you can randomly choose an example representing a pump; and a turbine).

No, sorry. See below.

> be sure if he understands you correctly this time and give me a favorable response.

No, sorry, as mentioned previously, first you give a "favorable" question.
Then, afterwards, we are able to give a "favorable" response.
Currently, even if we really want to help, we are not able due to the lack of information.

Once more, please provide much much more information about your problem.

For reasonable continuation, please answer vast majority of the following questions:
***********************
What is your background?
- What have you studied?
- What is your current job?
- ...

What is the task for?
- Academy?
- Industry?
- ...

What is the time requirements of the task?
- one month project?
- several years project?
- ...

Why do you want to use Yade?
- What alternatives do you have?
- Why not a software dedicated to fluids?
- ...

What does "a way" in OP mean?
- using just existing Yade features?
- using Yade with "minor" modifications?
- implementing new features into Yade?
- implementing new features into Yade by yourself?
- implementing new features into Yade by somebody else?
- ...

What does "to model" mean?
- What do you want to model?
- 1D / 2D / 3D / some combinations?
- What are spatial and time scales of the simulated process?
- What should be the model assumptions, simplifications etc.?
    - e.g. laminar / turbulent flow
    - e.g. compressible / incompressible flow
- What numerical method(s) do you want to use?
- What should be the result?
- Do you have any experiment for comparison?

What does "a hydraulic fluid" mean?
- What is the material in reality?
- How do you want to model it (e.g. compressible/incompressible etc.)
- What material model you want to use?
- What parameters and properties it should have?

What does "a hydraulic pump" mean?
- What is its role in your problem?
- How does it work?
- What is its size w.r.t rest of the system?
- How should it be modeled?
- ...

What does "a hydraulic turbine" mean?
- What is its role in your problem?
- How does it work?
- What is its size w.r.t rest of the system?
- How should it be modeled?
- ...
***********************

If you do not know answers on vast majority of these questions, it would be very difficult to continue and I would suggest "Paid support and Consulting" section in documentation [5].

Cheers
Jan

[5] https://yade-dem.org/doc/consulting.html

PS:
Just to give you some hint.
What would you answer to the question: "How to model a vehicle?"
- to model air streamlines around a vehicle?
- to model a crash test?
- to model behavior of a vehicle in a traffic together with many more vehicles?
- to model internal parts of the vehicle, e.g. steering or how energy is transferred from engine to wheels?
- To model a vehicle from ceramic clay? of build a model from Lego?
- What vehicle? VW Beatle? Truck? F1?
Every different option leads to completely different answers and approaches.

If you were asked to "randomly choose an example representing a vehicle" and "show the modeling process", what would you do? Would you like to have more information before you start?

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