hyper-threading and yade

Asked by Bettina Suhr on 2019-06-26

Dear all,

we just bought a new computer for DEM simulations. After a first performance test with yade, I saw that the IT turned on hyper-threading. Is there a general advice to use or not to use hyper-threading with yade? Or do we have to test ourselves to see what is better for us?

Thank you for your help,
Bettina

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Robert Caulk (rcaulk) said : #1

Hyperthreading *generally* does not improve or hinder performance on single Linux workstations [1]. Some authors tested the effect of hyperthreading on an OpenMP (shared memory) molecular dynamics code (similar to Yade) and found that hyperthreading slightly improved performance [2]. However, the same authors found that applications using a distributed memory model (MPI) exhibted significantly degraded performance when hyperthreading was active. So if you are running Yade normally with OpenMP then I would say you won't see much of a difference with hyperthreading on or off.

[1]https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/hpc/Hyper-Threading-may-be-Killing-your-Parallel-Performance-578/
[2]https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/44e2/8882125c8960788564563363ba35ead9d4f0.pdf

Jérôme Duriez (jduriez) said : #2

In terms of historical feedback, we had a presentation by A. Eulitz about that during the 1st YADE workshop (2014 !).

See p. 462 onwards of https://yade-dem.org/publi/1stWorkshop/booklet.pdf if you're curious about details.
I can not recollect myself what the exact conclusion was, though...

Robert Caulk (rcaulk) said : #3

It's worth pointing out that those results are all based on two discrete CPUs on a single motherboard working on the same problem. I am not sure if that is closer to distributed or shared memory TBH.

If you have N physical cores and 2xN threads, then most likely the performance will decrease or stagnate if you try to use yade with more than N threads. In other words, having hyperthreading activated in the bios is not a problem as long as you don't use it.
Better run your own tests though, better than trusting me...
B

Bettina Suhr (bettina-suhr) said : #5

Dear Robert, Jerome and Bruno,

Thank you very much for your answers. With this information at hand, we will think about a strategy to test, if hyperthreading should be active or not.

Thanks, and regards,
Bettina