Home Network Stopped Working

Asked by wabbit

I have been trying to troubleshoot and fix my home network for about 6 weeks with no luck. I replaced the cables (old CAT 5 upgraded to new CAT 6), only to discover that my old CAT 5 cables were working fine when I could test them separately. Then I purchased a new Workstation switch and replaced the old one. Today I installed a new network interface card (Netgear's GA311 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Adapter).

All of this is very difficult for me and stressful, as I am not used to working on computers. Today I did not use the installation disc because my computer was turned off when I installed the GA311, and when I turned it back on, and had Internet, I figured I did not need to do anything special. However, I put the disc in, and all it seems to want me to do is to register the software.

Every time I install a new component it looks as if the problem is solved, but soon I find that my system is back to its old trick of failing to connect to the Internet. The first good sign is when I do not lose the Internet on my main computer, and the 2nd good sign is when the 2nd computer can be plugged into the system without causing it to disconnect from the Internet, and then when it allows the 2nd computer (in another room) to have Internet access. This used to be routine, and worked brilliantly for years, but now the connection never lasts more than a few minutes.

Within 10-15 minutes, my system began doing the same thing it has been doing since the problem began in August. In August there had been a 3rd computer in the system, but it was turned off, unplugged, and removed. That cable is no longer connected to anything now.

I can tell my system is failing when the green lights on the router start flashing on and off, sometimes sequentially, sometimes randomly. The modem activity light blinks. I receive a message on my screen saying that I am disconnected from the network. And then neither computer has Internet access.

When I disconnect the 2nd computer from the system by unplugging the cable that goes into the router, then my main computer has the Internet restored.

All the ports on the router work fine as long as only the main computer is plugged into it. I have rotated that cable to all the ports to confirm that it is not a bad port.

I am at my wit's end. I do not know what to try next, and I am getting tired of buying new parts only to find that they don't fix the problem. I am wondering if there could be something in the 2nd computer that is causing it? For example, should the switch go to a hub, instead of directly to the 2nd compuer?

I don't know if this problem is related to Ubuntu or Firefox or not, but if anyone can help I'd be grateful.

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Paul Perkins (catmatist) said :
#1

If the symptom is always that plugging in the second computer makes the first lose internet connection, and unplugging second computer again gives first computer's connection back, that should narrow it down some. If this is what happens, is it also what happens if you swap which computer you call first and which second?

I have a wild guess at this point. Could the two computers be trying to use the same network address? Probably it would be the IP address of the eth0 devices on each machine, as shown by running ifconfig in a terminal on each machine. Or look at "connection information" in the right-click menu of your Network taskbar icon, if you've got such a thing.

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wabbit (cloudberry) said :
#2

Thanks, Paul. Your wild guess could be the answer, but I am not computer savvy enough to know. Here is what I found:

wired connection (eth1)
address dhcp

wired connection (eth0)
address dhcp

modem connection
this network interface is not configured (???)

I don't know why it says the modem is not configured, or what that means, but the modem is working because I have access to the Internet.

I also have two DNS servers listed. What is a DNS server? Is it important for this problem?

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wabbit (cloudberry) said :
#3

Oh, I see that you ask for the address on each machine. What I posted above is for the first machine.

I cannot easily move the 2nd machine to the location with the modem and router and hope to try to figure this out without needing to, if possible.

Since we had a power outage here today, I had to reboot my computer and it had to go through a memory test. The 2nd computer is still down. I will come back to this when I have the additional information.

Meanwhile, does what the first computer show (above) help shed any light on this?

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DarkJavi (darkjavi) said :
#4

My wild guess is that internet router is failing
"I can tell my system is failing when the green lights on the router start flashing on and off, sometimes sequentially, sometimes randomly. The modem activity light blinks. I receive a message on my screen saying that I am disconnected from the network. And then neither computer has Internet access."

But before wild guesses, confirm is this is your setup:
You have 2 computer on different rooms connected directly to the internet's router by cable
I have read that you have a switch, where is connected?

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wabbit (cloudberry) said :
#5

Well, the 2nd computer came back from the power outage, and after I got my son to log in with his password (unknown to me), I tried to find out the Internet address, and couldn't. I went to System, Network or Networking, and then it asked me for an Administrative Password.

My son and I don't know the password because my ex set that up. I have tried to reach him to request it, but he has not answered me.

The Set Up:

The first computer is connected to both the modem and the router, which are located right next to the first computer. The router is connected to a switch by a cable that goes through the ceiling of several rooms, ending up in the basement near the furnace (not that that should matter). It's been there for years, working fine.The switch is then connected to the 2nd computer by another cable going through the ceiling.

It would be difficult to try to connect the 2 computers directly because there is nothing in the ceiling to allow me to pull the cable through. That's why I have the cables going to the switch, which was the original setup.

I have replaced the switch, the cables, and the ethernet interface card in the 1st computer.

After replacing the cables, I tested the old ones and found that they were working fine. I took out one of the new cables and reinstalled one of the old ones. I am hoping that it does not matter if one cable is CAT 5 and another is CAT 6. If it does, I can take out the CAT 5 again and replace it with the CAT 6, as I have learned it is not returnable without a huge restocking penalty and shipping costs both ways.

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Randall Ross (randall) said :
#6

First, I recommend not buying any more equipment, as based on your reported symptoms it sounds a lot like a configuration error.

Please right-click on the network icon that appears on your taskbar. You should see a "Connection Information" option. (You will not need any administrator privileges). Select that option, and please note the following information:

Interface:
Hardware Address:
IP Address:
Broadcast Address:
Subnet Mask:
Default Route:
Primary DNS:

Please include this information in your updates. It will allow me (or someone else vieing this report) to determine whether a duplicate address or network misconfiguration is causing you grief.

Also, it is important to obtain your Administrator Password as soon as is realistically possible. Without it, you will likely be unable to fix other errors that could occur over time. You may also be unable to make network changes, should they be required.

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Randall Ross (randall) said :
#7

Please repeat the above for both computers. Thanks.

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wabbit (cloudberry) said :
#8

Thanks for the help. Here is what happened:

Over the weekend I removed the new interface card and the switch and connected the 2 computers directly by a single CAT 6 cable.

I purchased a new router and installed it.

The Internet is working fine on both computers now.

However, I have also retrieved the Connection Information as indicated in the post above. I don't know what it said when there was no Internet on the 2nd computer, but now that the initial problem is resolved, the 2 computers are the same on everything except:

Driver, IP Address, Primary DNS, Secondary DNS, and Hardware Address.

I understand that the IP Address is correct to be different. But I do not understand the Primary and Secondary DNS, the Driver, or the Hardware Address.

On the 2nd computer, the Secondary DNS is all zeros: 0.0.0.0

Is this something to be concerned about?

What does DNS stand for?

What is a Driver?

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wabbit (cloudberry) said :
#9

Also, when trying to figure out what was wrong, I attempted to run my computer without the old router, using just the modem. My computer was not connected to my son's computer at the time, as I was trying to simplify things and see what would happen.

With just the modem, my computer could not access the Internet.

That just seems weird. I wish I knew why the modem alone would not be sufficient. The modem was working fine, and the lights were lit up, as normal. However, my connection to the Internet did not exist without going through the router.

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Best Randall Ross (randall) said :
#10

DNS is "Domain Name Server" and is the address of the computer that is translating names such as www.google.com into the corresponding numeric address (IP address) on your behalf. Without DNS you would have to type in addresses such as 143.22.13.2 (random example) to get to web sites and other resources on the internet. Usually the DNS settings in your computers will be the same if they are on the same home network. Having 0.0.0.0 as your secondary DNS is not valid, but will not break anything, provided that your primary DNS is reachable.

A "Driver" is software code that allows low-level Ubuntu components to send/receive signals to/from your network card. Normally you will see different drivers for different card types. Different cards will also have different Hardware Addresses.

There are several reasons why a modem alone would not work. Troubleshooting that would likely require someone technical on site.
1) Your computers may be configured to "expect" a router (e.g. if they are using DHCP for addressing and there is no DHCP service provided by your modem.)
2) Your computers have static settings which don't match what is required for the modem

If all is working now, I recommend that you "let sleping giants rest" ;)

If you're worried about things breaking again, I recommend contacting a local and reputable computer tech to take a look at your setup. The Administrator Password will also be needed at some point, so keep working on getting that.

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wabbit (cloudberry) said :
#11

OK, thank you.