k9copy ntsc configure

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How do I configure K9copy to copy to ntsc format instead of pal? My external dvd player doesn't play pal only ntsc. I don't know how nor do I want to use the command line to make backup-copys of my dvds.

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Jim Hutchinson (jphutch) said :
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How do you know it wants to use pal? I cannot see any option for either ntsc or pal. I only have ntsc dvds and it has never been a problem nor did I need to configure it to do ntsc. Maybe it just makes the copy the same as the source. If your source is pal and you want to change to ntsc that might be a whole different thing.

As for making the backup, you will probably need to install some additional libraries. Check this page for more information.

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K9Copy

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penquin (ehardin) said :
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the default is pal. several dvd players can play both, but the ones I own don't. I have noticed that even if the source is ntsc the output is pal. there is a way to configure this I just don't know how.

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Jim Hutchinson (jphutch) said :
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Hmmm, I'm not sure I know the answer. K9copy doesn't have any settings for pal or ntsc. I believe it will just do pal to pal or ntsc to ntsc. Converting between pal and ntsc is not easy and from what I've read it's not very successful either. How are you verifying that copies of ntsc dvds are in pal format? Given the difficulty in doing this, I'm wondering if whatever problem you are experiencing isn't something other than pal or ntsc related. Can you provide a bit more info on what exactly is happening when you make a dvd, what the source is (region and format), and what happens when you try and play it? Could it be hardware related? Is your hardware set up for a particular region code? Anyway, just some options to explore.

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penquin (ehardin) said :
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the dvds I am using are region code for the US. I make the backup copy of a ntsc and nothing goes wrong. I check it with DeVeDe program and it says pal not ntsc. In settings you can configure K9copy MEncoder video and audio. this is the most likely place to configure k9copy to ntsc.

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Jim Hutchinson (jphutch) said :
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MEncoder is usually used to compress video for more portability - such as to play on an ipod or store on a computer. It does not do pal to ntsc conversion or vice versa. If you do not have any options set up for MEncoder that is fine since that is not what you would use to do a regular copy and shrink of a DVD.

Given the difficulty of converting ntsc to or from pal, I suspect the issue is with the DeVeDe program or bad copies. It's possible that you have a bad burn and DeVeDe is reading the errors as a wrong format or something. Assuming that there are not hardware issues, I would ignore what DeVeDe says and just try and play the copy in a regular ntsc DVD player. For playing on your computer try Mplayer or Totem (these may need to be set up first). If it plays, great.

For an idea of what it takes to convert between pal and ntsc check this site -> http://www.digital-digest.com/articles/Convert_PAL_NTSC_DVD_page1.html

While not impossible, it is not an easy task and I don't believe that K9Copy even has this capability. Something else is probably responsible for any problems you are experiencing.

Please try and play a burned copy in a regular ntsc DVD player and report what happens. We can go from there.

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penquin (ehardin) said :
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I tried that already. It didn't work. In an O'rielly book it gave the simple instructions of creating a backup of a disc using either pal or ntsc. It was very straight forward, and according to the book it is not difficult at all in linux. k9copy is made by someone in europe and therefore its default is pal. if the mencoder command line in the program is written to have the output to always be pal, it will always be pal unless it is reconfigured to do so. What I need help is figuring out how to reconfigure it.

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Jim Hutchinson (jphutch) said :
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Well, I'm afraid I'm out of ideas. I've never tried to copy a pal dvd before so I can't comment on that. However, I have used K9Copy to copy ntsc dvds and it worked fine, so I don't believe it's default is to convert to pal.

K9Copy is probably one of the easier dvd backup tools in Linux, but there are others. It might be worthwhile to check some of them out. Acidrip and dvd::rip are two that I'm aware of. You are probably familiar with the doom9 website but if not you might find some useful info there. http://www.doom9.org/

How did you install K9Copy? It's in the repos so if you downloaded it from somewhere or compiled it yourself, you might try removing it and installing from the repos. That's is how I installed and it works fine.

Other than that, I'm out of ideas. Sorry I couldn't be more help.

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penquin (ehardin) said :
#8

Most Dvd players can play pal and ntsc, but some can't. I am willing to bet that your copied ntsc disc is in pal format. thanks for your help.

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Jim Hutchinson (jphutch) said :
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While my dvd player is able to play pal format my tv can't display it. In any case, I think you are focusing on the wrong issue. If K9copy forced conversion to pal then I think a lot of people would be having problems and I simply cannot find any information on this issue. I've even asked some other people and no one seems to think that it's converting the format. It's not that easy to do, the results are less than perfect and there would be no benefit to writing a program that does that unless that was what you wanted the program to do. If that was the case, I think they would tout that as a feature.

My guess is that there is another reason you are not getting a good copy. Perhaps there are issues with the encryption on most disks. Did you install the proper libs for css? There is a newer version of K9copy than the one in the repos. If that one isn't working well perhaps you would have better luck with the newer one. Steps to install it are here:

http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/K9copy

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penquin (ehardin) said :
#10

pal discs play on your tv because of the output from your tv. if you use the antenna input your pal discs won't work. I am an electronic tech. the encryption is a non-issue if the discs work on one dvd player(that can play both pal and ntsc) and not another(that can only play ntsc) it has to be ntsc. besides why would the programmers have a program setup to reconfigure mencoder? all my sources tell me with mencoder it is real easy to convert to pal. I myself have converted a flash file to an avi.

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Jim Hutchinson (jphutch) said :
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The simple matter is that k9copy has no feature to change between pal and ntsc. If you think it's outputting pal and by some chance it works for everyone else to play these pal discs but you then fine. I suggest you either buy a pal dvd player or try a different program.

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penquin (ehardin) said :
#12

k9copy has a feature to change the mencoder settings though. all I need is the right settings to output it to ntsc.

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Steve (lussier-steven) said :
#13

Actually I and many others(Ubuntu Forums) have the same problem. I belived it was somthing to do with Pal and Ntsc, due to the fact that I can play my disks in my Philips DVD payer that plays Pal, Ntsc and all region codes but it will not play on other Samsung DVD player. I also tried them on two other sony and samsung players with no sucsess. I usually get the "cant read disk" errror, but I get the "check tv setting antena" on my samsung tv.
If somone has a sulution can you please post, Thanks

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newbsawbit (newbsawbit) said :
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If anyone's still interested, or anyone else stumbles upon this thread as I did with a similar issue, I was able to use DeVeDe to convert the temporary VOB files generated from k9copy to NTSC (started with a PAL disc). I had been using a combination of Acidrip, DeVeDe and Brasero for all my dvd copying, but for some reason acidrip was unable to extract the audio from the pal disc, causing me to look elsewhere for a solution. I had heard of k9copy, but hadn't played with it much until now. It seems like a much easier method for most discs, and seems as though it just copies whatever format is there and unfortunately for my project it doesn't have the nice NTSC/PAL option DeVeDe has. But using the two together seemed to work quite well - the end result had audio and played in a stand-alone player that I know doesn't play PAL. It would probably also work with an MPEG instead of VOB, thats just what I had left over from my attempt with k9. I can't speak for the other posts, but my issue was definitely a PAL/NTSC encoding thing (not to blame k9 cause I started with PAL). A friend brought back a DVD about Lisbin after a trip to Portugal and was unable to play it in her stand-alone (fairly nice, professionally installed) dvd player, only in her computer. None of my players will read it either, but will read the re-encoded copy, and the audio and video quality is very good too.

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