Can the indicator order and spacing be changed?

First off, I've never been a fan of the indicator-applet idea, because I miss having the amazing flexibility and functionality of the older applet/notification area (which is also why I will not use gnome-shell or unity). But, that said, it's obviously how things are going these days, so I'll have to go with it.

So, I have two questions:

1. Can the order of the indicators be easily changed (preferably by a GUI, not config files)? Right now, the order is a big hodge-podge mess. I need to have them categorized for them to really be usable. For example, I want to have informational indicators together (time/date, weather, etc.), functional indicators together (network manager, sound, etc.), and social indicators together (me-menu, messaging menu, etc.). Right now, none of these are together, and it makes no sense to me. I miss the ability to simply right-click and move the applets around. Even if it's just within the indicator applet itself, that would be a great functionality to have. Is there something like this available where I can just use my mouse to drag things around to rearrange the order?

2. Can I change the spacing of the indicators? They are much wider than the spacing of other applets and the notification area. Not only does it look really bad (especially when right next to these other formats), but it also takes up a lot of very valuable space on the panel. Having some sort of configuration dialog would be nice, where the spacing between the indicators could be configured. But I haven't found anything like that. On Ubuntu 10.10, someone had once made a patch for the indicator applet that reduced the spacing, and it worked wonderfully. I cannot seem to use it with the current version, though. And this should be an included functionality anyway, especially for people using netbooks, where screen space is limited. So can space be changed by some other means?

Thanks!