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comment about ubuntu upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10: the problem with grub 2

Asked by gabry78

Ubuntu is a great operating system. Fast and STABLE... until now. Becouse I love Ubuntu (I use it for all and my job from version 8.04) I feel needful to make this comment.
Upgrading procedure has been excellent until now: proceed from a version to another was fast and stable. I tried to upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10 and unfortunately, installing grub 2, the whole system crashed! Partition were not visible (I have two IDE harddisk) and Windows (yes, I still have it only for sync and install programs for a PPC) won't load. After a lot of trial and have read a lot of documentation, I tried to make load Windows but not Linux. I read in some blogs that upgrading from 9.04 to 9.10 was advised aganist. A lot of people refer similar problems.
The consideration is: this is a big mistake, a big bug; yes it can be resolved, but only by people that understand about computer science can resolve it quickly.
Most of people abandons this operating system only for this problem and probably will not use forever.
Upgrade of an operating system have to be automatic, secure and stable becouse the war with microsoft and/or MacOS is very hard.
Think about it: if ubuntu was installed on a job computer? or on a firm computer or other?

Thanks

Gabry78

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actionparsnip (andrew-woodhead666) said : 		#1

All drives are IDE

=D

Upgrades can be painful but some are ok, it depends on config really. Some have been ok, some not.

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Sam_ (and-sam) said : 		#2

This great Wiki should help:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
along with:
http://members.iinet.net/~herman546/p20.html

> job- and firm computer
btw.
#1 they'll use LTS
#2 they receive professional support
#3 the system doesn't upgrade by itself, the user has to agree and actively start the upgrade
#4 the user has a backup - at any time - to roll back or reinstall

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gabry78 (gabriele-ciuti) said : 		#3

Ok of course, LTS is "the professional version" the most stable so it can/must use in computer for professional use... I hope that the next LTS (10.4?) version will not have the same problem yet. About #4: how I can "automatic rollback" if grub crashes? and about configuration differences?...some my friends say to have a similar problem but they haven't the same computer.
Ok normal people are, I repeat, are (unfortunately) "ignorant" about computer science. Yes, you have to agree to upgrade and actively start the upgrade and to accept the risks correlated on, this is always true. Though, the message in this case had to more strong. In my advice, the possible error/crash related to grub2 is more serious then others becouse make unbootalble the computer so, I repeat, for a normal person, this mean a tragedy, they think the system is irrecoverable. This kind of persons don't go to search to solve this problem into web becouse they can't solve it.
Then, we talk about an upgrade to a beta version, or not?
I write this becouse I think the Linux System is the future and is already the best operating system for a lot causes (GNU, stability,etc) but we think to it have to competing with other operating system. To do this, it must be approved by normal people, not only by the same persons understand computer science and/or linux world. Remember that people want few computer problems: linux have to mantain stability, the most important difference with other operating systems. Upgrading messages have to be more strong if there is the possibility of instability also for a single packet or make upgrade into two way : one more stable and another like alpha/beta version.
Sorry for my english.
I hope my comment can help to improve Ubuntu.
Thanks

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actionparsnip (andrew-woodhead666) said : 		#4

LTS simply means its supported for longer so will provide a longer time between distribution upgrades which is handy when you have several thousand servers. Its still the same OS as the others, just with longer support.

You will also find companys use the LTS over the intermittant releases to reduce issues.

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safiri (safiriahmed) said : 		#5

asus 4g install full systeme not empty ubunto can not get in pc help

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