Problems after fixing problems with running out of disk space

Asked by Jack Vultaggio

Long story... I ran out of disk space and when I tried to login I got a Gnome Power Management error... so not knowing anything, I reinstalled Ubuntu from LiveCD. Once I did that, I created a Grub2 problem, which I fixed. Then I was able to fix the GPM problem by moving my documents to a large external drive. However, now, I need to get rid of the four other installations of Ubuntu. In addition, when I try to use Evolution, it wants me to start from scratch. Does that mean I lost all of my emails, etc.?

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
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I forgot something very important; I cannot see my internal drive anymore, instead I have three filesystems on my external drive. In addition, it is telling me on start up that I'm running out of space again. How do i straighten this mess out?

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#2

fyi... when I check the partitions, the internal drive is there, (also note, I don't need all these partitions) see below:
jack@jack-desktop:/home$ sudo parted -l
[sudo] password for jack:
Model: ATA ST3160021A (scsi)
Disk /dev/sda: 160GB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
Partition Table: msdos

Number Start End Size Type File system Flags
 1 1049kB 157GB 157GB primary ext4 boot
 2 157GB 160GB 3077MB extended
 5 157GB 160GB 3077MB logical linux-swap(v1)

Model: Seagate FreeAgentDesktop (scsi)
Disk /dev/sdb: 500GB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
Partition Table: msdos

Number Start End Size Type File system Flags
 1 32.3kB 263GB 263GB primary ntfs boot
 2 263GB 500GB 237GB extended
 5 263GB 382GB 118GB logical ext4
 7 382GB 494GB 112GB logical ext4
 8 494GB 497GB 3078MB logical linux-swap(v1)
 6 497GB 500GB 3078MB logical linux-swap(v1)

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mycae (mycae) said :
#3

>However, now, I need to get rid of the four other installations of Ubuntu.

Once you are sure you have backed up your other home folder (including hidden folders -- which is why evolution is asking you to start from scratch; locate your old hidden ".evolution" folder, then copy it into your new home folder.), then use gparted to erase the old installs of ext4. Once done, use

sudo update-grub

to get grub to update itself.

to look at your disk usage use the disk usage analyser. The name of the analyser is "boabab", alternatively it is in the system menu, called (oddly enough) "disk usage analyser".

http://www.marzocca.net/linux/baobab/baobab-ringschart.html

Try to find the files that are taking all your disk space -- 160GB is a fair amount of space.

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#4

my internal disk, the one that is full, is not showing up. When I run Disk Utility it show its there but when i try to check the Filesystem, i get this error "Device is mounted and no online capability in fsck tool for file system" I believe that is where all my old files are located. How do I know which home folder i should be backing up... there seems to be a few of them?

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#5

My source partition is sda1, the drive that I can't see

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#6

also, I found the old evolution file, how do i get it to work?

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#7

how do i know which is the correct Home Folder? How do I know the disk I can't see doesn't have the correct Home folder? How do i resolve the fact that my internal drive is not accessible?

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mycae (mycae) said :
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Your internal drive is accessible... its in your partition table. I assume you mean it is not in the panel or similar? Have you looked in /media ?

Can you provide the output of the command "mount"?

Are you still running from a liveCD?

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#9

correct not accessible from the panel, nor can the Disk Utility access. No i am not running livecd...
I will look in media

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
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jack@jack-desktop:~$ mount
/dev/sda1 on / type ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
none on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
none on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw)
none on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (rw)
none on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw)
none on /dev type devtmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=0620)
none on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
none on /var/run type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
none on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
none on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
/home/jack/.Private on /home/jack type ecryptfs (ecryptfs_sig=58630084f8b98f71,ecryptfs_fnek_sig=f48250cfd63221be,ecryptfs_cipher=aes,ecryptfs_key_bytes=16)
gvfs-fuse-daemon on /home/jack/.gvfs type fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=jack)
/dev/sdb5 on /media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8 type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks)
/dev/sdb1 on /media/4650194550193CDD type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096,default_permissions)
/dev/sdb7 on /media/5c0c1c4d-c241-45b4-8b7b-37a46e06a6f7 type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks)

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
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It is not in media... how do i know which is the correct home folder?

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#12

by the way, the evolution files are in the home folder in the panel folder called Filesystem... Isn't that the correct Home Folder?

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#13

I just went to the "File System" on the panel and went into properties; it is saying the some files are unreadible, which would explain why Evolution is not working. What I don't understand is why the documents I moved earlier seem to still be on the drive; I have copies of them on my external drive too, so I'm not too worried about that.

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mycae (mycae) said :
#14

The devices are correctly located in /media and mounted according your posted output from "mount".

They are named by their internal hard drive identifiers (aka UUIDs). You may not have access to the contents due to the permissions being owned by a different user ID from your previous installation.

Click on "File system", then the folder called "media" then f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8 - if this says "permission denied" then use the run command shortcut (alt+f2), then type (without quotes) "gksudo nautilus"

this will open nautilus in administrator mode, and allow you to enter these directories. Copy the contents somewhere. You will then need to change the ownership of the newly copied (not the original) folder by right clicking it (still in admin mode) selecting properties, than permissions then change the owner to your current user.

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#15

how can the user name/password be different? I'm the only one using it and set it up the same everytime.

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#16

that media is one of the partitions of the external drive, I can access it.

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#17

fyi, the root and lost and found files are X out

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mycae (mycae) said :
#18

> that media is one of the partitions of the external drive, I can access it.
OK, my bad.
In this case the other disk must be the internal drive (sda, the 160GB drive). In that case, according to your mount output your

/

 1 1049kB 157GB 157GB primary ext4 boot

ie your file system is the "internal" drive. Your operating system is running from the internal drive, and is currently in the error state:
/dev/sda1 on / type ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro)

Note the "errors=remount-ro" If you are in the error state, then you need to reboot to a liveCD to correct it -- you cannot fsck a live partition. Your drive may be damaged, or your filesystem corrupt.

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#19

great... well i think i have all the information off it; I will reboot from Live cd and then what do I run? how do i correct it?

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Tom (tom6) said :
#20

Hi :)

Now that you have created some space on the older install can you try booting up in "recovery mode" on that partition. Try "clear some space" and "fix broken packages" to see if that fixes the install enough for you to boot into it.

It might be difficult to identify which bunch of lines to choose to boot into and anyway we need to ahve a look at the layout of partitions on your machine to help you identify and remove the right ones without losing data (hopefully!)

So, please get to a command-line and try

sudo fdisk -l

where "-l" is a lower-case "-L". If you happen to have your external drive plugged in then we could see the way partitions are laid out on that too which could be useful. The internal will be sda and the external will probably be sdb.
Good luck and regards from
Tom :)

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mycae (mycae) said :
#21

you can run fsck using (as root, or using sudo)

fsck /dev/sda1

(assuming sda1 is the correct partition. Note that your device lettering may change when you boot from the liveCD, so as tom said, you will need to re-examine the output of fdisk).

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Tom (tom6) said :
#22

Ok, now i am totally confused. Did Hilario solve the problems already? Also is your post from 3 hours ago still accurate for your partitions?

Model: ATA ST3160021A (scsi)
Disk /dev/sda: 160GB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
Partition Table: msdos

Number Start End Size Type File system Flags
 1 1049kB 157GB 157GB primary ext4 boot
 2 157GB 160GB 3077MB extended
 5 157GB 160GB 3077MB logical linux-swap(v1)

Model: Seagate FreeAgentDesktop (scsi)
Disk /dev/sdb: 500GB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
Partition Table: msdos

Number Start End Size Type File system Flags
 1 32.3kB 263GB 263GB primary ntfs boot
 2 263GB 500GB 237GB extended
 5 263GB 382GB 118GB logical ext4
 7 382GB 494GB 112GB logical ext4
 8 494GB 497GB 3078MB logical linux-swap(v1)
 6 497GB 500GB 3078MB logical linux-swap(v1)

Id so then there is quite a lot of clearing up we could help you with! I am off now and can't get back for about 24hours(ish) but i can help about then if required.
Regards from
Tom :)

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#23

This is what i got...looks clean:
ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo fsck /dev/sda1
fsck from util-linux-ng 2.17.2
e2fsck 1.41.11 (14-Mar-2010)
/dev/sda1: clean, 215570/9584640 files, 36154260/38320896 blocks

ok...thanks Tom

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
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Tom... this is the result of the fdisk:
ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo fdisk -l

Disk /dev/sda: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x0003f231

   Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sda1 * 1 19084 153283584 83 Linux
/dev/sda2 19084 19458 3004417 5 Extended
/dev/sda5 19084 19458 3004416 82 Linux swap / Solaris

Disk /dev/sdb: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x68116811

   Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sdb1 * 1 32031 257287148+ 7 HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sdb2 32031 60802 231098369 5 Extended
/dev/sdb5 32031 46422 115590634 83 Linux
/dev/sdb6 60428 60802 3005440 82 Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sdb7 46422 60053 109494272 83 Linux
/dev/sdb8 60053 60428 3005440 82 Linux swap / Solaris

Partition table entries are not in disk order

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Tom (tom6) said :
#25

Hi :)

Errr, you probably want to fix the boot-loader on sda1? Try unplugging the external drive and then see if you can boot into the Ubuntu that is on your internal hard-drive. If not then this guide from step 4
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20from%20LiveCD

sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt

sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/ /dev/sda

Then you should be able to reboot into the 1st Ubuntu that you installed, the one on the internal hard-drive. Then try this

sudo update-grub

To complete it.
Good luck and regards from
Tom :)

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#26

Is it worth trying a new install on the external drive?

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#27

i've booted from all installs and have the same problem

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#28

fyi... when booting from the livecd, i can see but cannot access the internal drive, but thats because it is not mounted (based on Disk Utility)

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Tom (tom6) said :
#29

Hi :)

No, i would avoid doing any more installing of Ubuntu! At least one of the existing installs should be completely fine now? The trick is copying all the data safely to 1 of the partitions, i would go for sdb5, probably called something 'really useful' like "115 GB Media" in your "Places" menu on the top-taskbar.

To sort your linux-swaps out we need to know how much Ram you have. This command helps there

free -m

It is handy to have 1 swap on each drive to help make sure the Ram always has something it can use. Swap is best at about 2xRam ideally but any more than that is a waste. Anything over 1xRam is plenty good enough.

Ok, one way to mount those partitions is just to go up to the top taskbar and click on the "Places" menu, then just click on whichever sized partitions look about right.

Regards from
Tom :)

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Tom (tom6) said :
#30

Ok,

when you boot the machine without using the LiveCd does it give a boot-menu? If so then choose the 2nd option listed for sda1 and run through a couple of those recovery mode options such as "Fix broken packages" and "clear some space" perhaps also "fix x-server/graphics" but not any of the "root" ones. If you do get dropped to a command-line try

reboot

to get the machine to reboot ;) Running through a couple of those options should get it working on sda1 again with any luck!
Regards from
Tom :)

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#31

ok... but i'm not sure what to do at this point; I have all my data on the external

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#32

ok...thank you

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Tom (tom6) said :
#33

Hi :)

Your internal drive is only 160Gb but the external is 500Gb. Ideally at some point you might be able to get a 2nd internal hard-drive, apparently 1Tb is the "sweet spot" at the moment for desktops internal drives.

Are you booting up with no problems now? I mean without having the external drive plugged in and without using a LiveCd?
Regards from
Tom :)

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#34

i haven't tried it without the external. I tried what you said and the 160gb is still not showing up on GUI interface. I will try and reboot without the external

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Tom (tom6) said :
#35

Ok,

Sda1 is about 160Gb but probably doesn't show up in the Places menu except as "Documents", "Pictures" and so on. Hopefully you can copy a large amount of your data back into these folders?

The Places menu always quotes smaller than i expect. When i know a drive is 150Gb is typically calls it a 125Gb or something like that. We can see that sdb7 is the smallest of the linux partitions and then sdb5 is the next smallest. Can you drag and drop your files from sdb7 first and then see if you can clear sdb5?

Regards from
Tom :)

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#36

i just tried rebooting with out the external and my keyboard wouldn't work for me to login???

All my partitions used to show in Places.

I don't know how to see sdb 7 or 5. I only see three partitions on the external drive and i don't see the internal except for "home" and File System

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#37

i just got it to boot without the extenal... but it still not accessing Evolution

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#38

and the 160gb drive is still not in places

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Tom (tom6) said :
#39

Ok, i think you might need to post the Evolution issue as a new question. I thought that just booting the right Ubuntu would do the trick.

In theory when you boot-up the install that is on sda1 it will show sdb5 & sdb7 but not sda1. When you boot in sdb5 it wont show sdb5 as a separate partition. When you boot into sdb7 it wont show sdb7 but in each case it will show the other 2. Only the LiveCd should show you all 3.

Lets have a quick look at Evolution. When you go to the Places menu and click on "Home" it opens a file-browser with

/home/username

click on the "View" menu and tick the "Show hidden files" box. Can you see a folder called something like ".evolution"? The "." at the front makes it hidden and most programs set-up their own configuration files and stuff in a folder like that.

Err, please can you give us the output of

free -m

Regards from
Tom :)

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#40

yes i see the evolution file...if you look above, i've been through it. There is something wrong with some of the files on the 160gb. Ive been through all but one of the kernels and they all show in error when i run Disk Utility "check file system" on the 160gb hd

jack@jack-desktop:~$ free -m
             total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 1002 656 345 0 62 354
-/+ buffers/cache: 240 762
Swap: 2933 0 2933

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#41

btw, I cannot find any of my files on the 160gb drive. There is no document file. I know they are on the external one, I moved them earlier when dealing the Grub2 problem.

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Tom (tom6) said :
#42

Hi :)

Ok, i am fading fast so take care. I think the important thing is that you can boot up into the internal drive when the external one is not plugged in. Is the evolution folder also copied to the external drive?

The "free -m" showed that you have 1Gb of Ram so we know that deleting sdb8 is fairly safe and that the other swap partitions are plenty large enough.

Sorry i can't help until tomorrow, please post the evolution question separately
Regards from
Tom :)

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#43

ok... thank you very much

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Tom (tom6) said :
#44

Hi Jack :)

Ok, i think that getting things back the way they were before is going to be a little tricky. I would go for a sophisticated reinstall.

First to prepare things.
First getting a list of the programs and other packages you have installed on sda1 ...
1. Boot into sda1's Ubuntu
2. Open "Synaptic Package Manager"
System - Administration - Synaptic
3. Go to Synaptic's "file" menu and choose "Save markings as"
4. In the pop-up box notice the tick-box at the bottom saying "Save full state, not only changes"
5. Save this list to somewhere useful and easy to find on sdb5. I tend to have a "techie" fodler in my Documents folder for stuff like this

Second, use rsync or grsync to copy the entire /home folder to sdb5 so that ALL your settings and data
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving
Notice that although the guide is useful it does contain extra stuff that we don't need. For example it sets up a new partition but we can use sdb5. Also it talks about messing around with Fstab which we shouldn't need to do. Mostly we just need the part
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving#Copy%20/home%20to%20the%20New%20Partition

Third prepare the partitions
1. Boot into sdb5 and install gparted
2. Delete sda1 & sda5 and sda2
3. Set-up partitions like this (ideally)

sda1 Primary Partition 2Gb file-system = linux-swap
sda2 Primary Partition 10Gb file-system = ext3
sda3 Extended Partition to contain
 . sda5 Logical Partition file-system = ext3. Filling up the entire rest of of the drive -10Gb.
 . sda6 Logical Partition 10Gb file-system = ext3

Note that Extended Partitions are hollow and contain proper partitions inside. The problem is that drives can only have 4 Primary Partitions and these are best used for the main OS and also the swap to help the machine be as fast as possible. Also drives tend to be very much faster at the front of the drive than at the end. Sometimes the end of a drive is about half the speed of the start! Since data tends to be buffered/cached in swap and ram it is best to keep data and settings nearer the end of the drive rather than at the start.

Ok, now for the install itself. When you get to the partitioning section choose the bottom option "Advance" or "Manual" partitioning. This will re-scan the drive and then show the partitions you have already prepared. Edit the partitions to set their "Mount Points" like this

sda2 /
sda5 /home

Ignore sda1 and sda6 (and sda3). Having a separate partition for your /home keeps all the data&settings very much safer. The sda6 is for trying out other versions of linux or for installing new releases of Ubuntu so that you can try them out before committing yourself to them. Whatever you install to sda6 can use the same swap and if you really wanted to it could also share the same /home but be careful not to re-format sda5 if you do so.

Now when the install is complete it is worth booting into sda2 and use synaptic to re-install all the programs listed in the "markings" file you saved earlier. Then use rysnc (or grsync) to copy back all the /home sda5 and then copy back your data too. Now hopefully you should find that booting into sda2 gives you the same system you had before! This time it is much more flexible and robust tho!

Good luck and regards from
Tom :)

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#45

I can't boot into external... should I do an install on it so I can

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#46

I got this message when trying to set up a copy of Home using rsync:

jack@jack-desktop:~$ sudo rsync -axS --exclude='/*/.gvfs' /home/. /media/home/.
rsync: writefd_unbuffered failed to write 4 bytes to socket [sender]: Broken pipe (32)
rsync: mkdir "/media/home/." failed: No such file or directory (2)
rsync error: error in file IO (code 11) at main.c(595) [Receiver=3.0.7]
rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (9 bytes received so far) [sender]
rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(601) [sender=3.0

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#47

I'm trying it doing the Fstab and will let you know how it goes... rebooting now

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Tom (tom6) said :
#48

Ok, sounds like you are doing the right thing now. I was hoping we could avoid doing anything to fstab but i guess it does need doing. The crucial thing is being able to use grsync or rsync to ensure the permissions are all right when rsync'd back to the new install at the end.

Regards from
Tom :)

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Tom (tom6) said :
#49

Hi again :)

Yes, avoiding doing a re-install to external drive is a good plan because all the data is there and we want to make sure we don't lose any of that! Sorry this has suddenly turned hideously complicated but it sounds as tho you are working through it well! :)

Regards from
Tom :)

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#50

Fstab worked and i was able to copy, HOWEVER, when i did the compare as suggested this is what I got, which doesn't make sense to me at all... it is very long, sorry:

jack@jack-desktop:~$ sudo mount -a
[sudo] password for jack:
jack@jack-desktop:~$ sudo rsync -axS --exclude='/*/.gvfs' /home/. /media/home/.
jack@jack-desktop:~$ diff -r /home /media/home
Only in /media/home: bin
Only in /media/home: boot
Only in /media/home: cdrom
Only in /media/home: dev
diff: /home/.ecryptfs/jack/.Private/ECRYPTFS_FNEK_ENCRYPTED.FWboUZ1DpX6VjUS7pkAkeoQx7BQhidZYwuCy33c0MssQGYsksKwWH83IsE--/ECRYPTFS_FNEK_ENCRYPTED.FWboUZ1DpX6VjUS7pkAkeoQx7BQhidZYwuCyvG0vk6E1JEiULR8S3f0IDk--/ECRYPTFS_FNEK_ENCRYPTED.FWboUZ1DpX6VjUS7pkAkeoQx7BQhidZYwuCyemUqoOaVX-A9vCGG7SXVfU--/ECRYPTFS_FNEK_ENCRYPTED.FWboUZ1DpX6VjUS7pkAkeoQx7BQhidZYwuCygwvmvpPcUXs-Iu2tTMyrn---/ECRYPTFS_FNEK_ENCRYPTED.FXboUZ1DpX6VjUS7pkAkeoQx7BQhidZYwuCypnj-OW8K3xOwh34oNx-GJPjbUIWbSmZ5tDMq-7wj3Ds-: No such file or directory
diff: /media/home/.ecryptfs/jack/.Private/ECRYPTFS_FNEK_ENCRYPTED.FWboUZ1DpX6VjUS7pkAkeoQx7BQhidZYwuCy33c0MssQGYsksKwWH83IsE--/ECRYPTFS_FNEK_ENCRYPTED.FWboUZ1DpX6VjUS7pkAkeoQx7BQhidZYwuCyvG0vk6E1JEiULR8S3f0IDk--/ECRYPTFS_FNEK_ENCRYPTED.FWboUZ1DpX6VjUS7pkAkeoQx7BQhidZYwuCyemUqoOaVX-A9vCGG7SXVfU--/ECRYPTFS_FNEK_ENCRYPTED.FWboUZ1DpX6VjUS7pkAkeoQx7BQhidZYwuCygwvmvpPcUXs-Iu2tTMyrn---/ECRYPTFS_FNEK_ENCRYPTED.FXboUZ1DpX6VjUS7pkAkeoQx7BQhidZYwuCypnj-OW8K3xOwh34oNx-GJPjbUIWbSmZ5tDMq-7wj3Ds-: No such file or directory
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Binary files /home/.ecryptfs/jack/.Private/ECRYPTFS_FNEK_ENCRYPTED.FWboUZ1DpX6VjUS7pkAkeoQx7BQhidZYwuCyyplAiJ8YoeTUPaGkh6bP5U--/ECRYPTFS_FNEK_ENCRYPTED.FWboUZ1DpX6VjUS7pkAkeoQx7BQhidZYwuCyOd38qYbcJufALqWReyTzFk--/ECRYPTFS_FNEK_ENCRYPTED.FWboUZ1DpX6VjUS7pkAkeoQx7BQhidZYwuCycm2DmhHYv.IAJ83TCgcNbk--/ECRYPTFS_FNEK_ENCRYPTED.FWboUZ1DpX6VjUS7pkAkeoQx7BQhidZYwuCy72zLBTa92lFVw6ZwO0RQq---/ECRYPTFS_FNEK_ENCRYPTED.FWboUZ1DpX6VjUS7pkAkeoQx7BQhidZYwuCynA..0WuWwtV86myTIYKuME--/ECRYPTFS_FNEK_ENCRYPTED.FXboUZ1DpX6VjUS7pkAkeoQx7BQhidZYwuCyEfJh7MKYa04FUzl0ASmjc-1cjn5BpmJF2oya.Mqc4TA-/ECRYPTFS_FNEK_ENCRYPTED.FWboUZ1DpX6VjUS7pkAkeoQx7BQhidZYwuCyRh8H1bDwCgS8Gp1xXoDMOU-- and /media/home/.ecryptfs/jack/.Private/ECRYPTFS_FNEK_ENCRYPTED.FWboUZ1DpX6VjUS7pkAkeoQx7BQhidZYwuCyyplAiJ8YoeTUPaGkh6bP5U--/ECRYPTFS_FNEK_ENCRYPTED.FWboUZ1DpX6VjUS7pkAkeoQx7BQhidZYwuCyOd38qYbcJufALqWReyTzFk--/ECRYPTFS_FNEK_ENCRYPTED.FWboUZ1DpX6VjUS7pkAkeoQx7BQhidZYwuCycm2DmhHYv.IAJ83TCgcNbk--/ECRYPTFS_FNEK_ENCRYPTED.FWboUZ1DpX6VjUS7pkAkeoQx7BQhidZYwuCy72zLBTa92lFVw6ZwO0RQq---/ECRYPTFS_FNEK_ENCRYPTED.FWboUZ1DpX6VjUS7pkAkeoQx7BQhidZYwuCynA..0WuWwtV86myTIYKuME--/ECRYPTFS_FNEK_ENCRYPTED.FXboUZ1DpX6VjUS7pkAkeoQx7BQhidZYwuCyEfJh7MKYa04FUzl0ASmjc-1cjn5BpmJF2oya.Mqc4TA-/ECRYPTFS_FNEK_ENCRYPTED.FWboUZ1DpX6VjUS7pkAkeoQx7BQhidZYwuCyRh8H1bDwCgS8Gp1xXoDMOU-- differ
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Tom (tom6) said :
#51

Hi :)

Ok, so i guess you have encrypted your /home. While it does make things a lot more secure it also complicates things. Part of the advantage of using linux is that Windows users can't even see un-encrypted file-systems. I might keep certain files encrypted but only in fairly extreme cases at work. The rest is not really worth the extra security.

All the folders starting with "." are system folders containing settings. If there are any of those referring to programs that you particularly remember spending ages configuring then they might be worth worrying about and trying rsync focused in on those particular sub-folders. Really tho even if you do remember spending ages on configurations then you will probably find it much faster going through a 2nd time for those. Mostly defaults are good in linux tho (unlike Windows) so i really wouldn't worry.

The last batch of /lost&found, /lib, /proc and all those get set-up during install anyway so again don't worry there.

The encrypted files in ".Private" do worry me. Can you access those from a LiveCd or from inside a boot into sda1? If so then just drag and drop them across or try rsync again but add to the pathname to get just that ".Private" folder across. Also is gpilot something to do with a hand-held device that you still use? If so then try again with that one too.

Regards from
Tom :)

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#52

i don't remember encrypting anything? I have all of my files in a folder on the external drive. Are you saying i may not be able to access them because of the encryption?

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#53

gpilot can go... i installed it to see if i wanted to buy one and how it would work on the system

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#54

As I stated before, I am unable to access any of my files on the internal drive other than the file system and Home folders which contain Ubuntu files...nothing i have created or use that i know of

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#55

Could these be the emails which is why evolution isn't working?

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#56

I just checked my home back up which contains all of my evolution files... they look like text files but I cannot run them or see them but i assume they are in a database form that evolution needs to run through its programming. I did not get any kind of "no permission can't read" message when I clicked on them... I got a what do you want to do with them "run" or run in terminal.

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#57

Should I continue with moving home directory instructions?

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Tom (tom6) said :
#58

Hi :)

Ok, if you don't remember encrypting anything then don't worry about all those error messages. Probably something else you were testing out at some point. Don't worry about gpilot either then by the sounds of it.

Yep, just carry on with moving the /home but don't do the copying back part until after you have re-installed Ubuntu onto sda2 as advised ...

You are at step 3 ready to use Synaptic to "Save markings as" ... Shall i resend that part or are you happy to scroll back in the thread?

Regards from
Tom :)

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Tom (tom6) said :
#59

Yes, i think the files in the .evolution folder are very likely to contain your emails. Does it look like they are about the right size for text file storage of your emails? I don't know if you are used to using text-files so if you could estimate roughly how many emails to the nearest 100 and roughly estimate the average size, say a lot less than an A4 or single page letter? Then let us know the rough total size of the files you think are emails we might be able to guess better. :)

Sorry, i'm in a rush to leave work :)

Regards from
Tom :)

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#60

part of your instructions require booting from sdb5, that isn't working? How should I can I do this without reinstalling on the external drive?

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#61

btw I am on the "Preparing fstab for the switch" section of the Moving document

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#62

fyi...i'm holding off on anything until I hear from you... I don't want to do anything that screws it up... thank you

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Tom (tom6) said :
#63

Hi :)

Ok, stop there. You don't need to mess with the fstab again.

If you are reinstalling the same version of UBuntu on sda then do try the "Save markings" in Synaptic. If you are going to install a newer release (i would go for the 10.04 if possible) then skip the steps about saving markings.

So, now you have your data on sdb5 right? If so then continue from here

Third prepare the partitions
1. Boot into the LiveCd or LiveUsb, either live session has gparted already installed
System - Adminstration - Gparted/"Partition Editor"
2. Delete sda1 & sda5 and sda2
3. Set-up partitions like this (ideally)

sda1 Primary Partition 2Gb file-system = linux-swap
sda2 Primary Partition 10Gb file-system = ext3
sda3 Extended Partition to contain
 . sda5 Logical Partition file-system = ext3. Filling up the entire rest of of the drive -10Gb.
 . sda6 Logical Partition 10Gb file-system = ext3

Regards from
Tom :)

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#64

I already did the markings, that was your first step; I have aleays been running 10.04; Well, you checked the comparision that i sent y ou, that was comparing the new home in the partition on sdb. Ok, shoudl I do the markings again?

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Tom (tom6) said :
#65

Hi :)

Yes, i was hoping to use the install on sdb5 because it is marginally faster than using a LiveCd session for those few steps. However using the LiveCd makes more sense because it already has gparted installed. Usually you don't get the option and have to use the LiveCd and so will you this time too.

Regards from
Tom :)

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Tom (tom6) said :
#66

Hi :)

No, if you have the markings on sdb5 then that is fine :)
Regards from
Tom :)

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#67

Thanks Tom, here goes nothing

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Tom (tom6) said :
#68

Hi again :)

The markings are just a list of all the programs, drivers, codecs, libraries and other packages you have installed on sda1. Later we are going to use that list to get them all back again in the new install.

However, newly installed programs tend to have defaults set-up and so my plan is to copy (rsync) back all the settings you had previously (minus a few that will have to remain at their new defaults). So gpilot will be reinstalled but it wont have the configurations you set. You can then choose to uninstall gpilot, play with it again or just leave it alone = the same with a few other programs.

Windows could never offer an install like this. OEM installs might get close, or some corporates. Linux of course offers this by default but not many desktop users know of it.

Regards from
Tom :)

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Tom (tom6) said :
#69

Good luck chap. you are 'just' deleting the old partitions on sda and creating new ones right? You can still read this thread from the LiveCd session?
Regards from
Tom :)

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#70

Nothing is easy; sda2 and sda5 have keys next to them and it won't let me delete them

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#71

it says that sda2 is mounted (and i guess sda5 is a subset of sda2, correct?)

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Tom (tom6) said :
#72

HI :)

You have booted into a LiveCd session? Just right-click on sda5 and do "Swap off". The same with sda1 but choose "Unmount" (or "Umount")
Regards from
Tom :)

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Tom (tom6) said :
#73

Hi :)

Yes sda5 is a subset of sda2. I hadn't thought of it that way befor but that is a pretty accurate way of thinking about it :)
Regards from
Tom :)

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#74

ok... will do, thank you

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#75

I just want to make sure I'm doing this... I'm creating a partition table... it gives me a warning that it will erase all the infor on the disk and that it is usually used for windows? is that correct?

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#76

its asking me to choose a new partition type????

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Tom (tom6) said :
#77

I guess that continuing that metaphor the physical hard-drive is the universe and each universe can contain only 4 Primary sets. Any one of those sets can be a special type called "Extended" which can then contain sub-sets. Normal Primary sets cannot contain sub-sets but they can contain data instead.
Regards from
Tom :)

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Tom (tom6) said :
#78

Hi :)

Yes, that is right. For sda1 and sda2 choose "Primary Partition" as their partition type.

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#79

That makes sense, but what about my question just above... regarding the partition table and its format...

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#80

never mind... i think i have it

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#81

2000 mb is 2 gb, correct?

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Tom (tom6) said :
#82

Hi again, sorry i had to dash. Try this table for how to set them up

sda1 Primary Partition 2Gb file-system = linux-swap
sda2 Primary Partition 10Gb file-system = ext3
sda3 Extended Partition to contain
 . sda5 Logical Partition file-system = ext3. Filling up the entire rest of of the drive -10Gb.
 . sda6 Logical Partition 10Gb file-system = ext3

Actually it might be easier to set them up like this

sda1 Primary Partition 2Gb file-system = linux-swap
sda2 Primary Partition 10Gb file-system = ext3
sda3 Extended Partition to contain
 . sda6 Logical Partition file-system = ext3. Filling up the entire rest of of the drive -10Gb.
 . sda5 Logical Partition 10Gb file-system = ext3

After you have created sda3 as an Extended Partition you can create the little 10Gb partition inside it at the end of that big grey space. Then you don;t have to worry about how big to make the partition before it. Just fill the space!

All the figures i have given are approximate only. You don't really need to calculate 10Gb*1024 = 10,240Mb. A little bit more or less by as much as 1Gb is fine. Try to get sda1 fairly accurate but don't worry too much about even that one.
Regards from
Tom :)

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#83

should i have any space before sda1?

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Tom (tom6) said :
#84

Hi :)

That is very approximate and fine for this.

2Gb = 1024Mb x 2 = 2048 Mb

Ahh the joys of counting in binary!
2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128. 256, 512, 1024
So, 1024 is the closets to 1000 and is easier for humans that are used to the deciaml system
1, 10, 100, 1000
Regards from
Tom :)

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Tom (tom6) said :
#85

Hi :)

Ideally there should be no space before sda1 but if you are forced into it then it is ok. how much space? Less than 20Mb is fine
Regards from
Tom :)

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#86

so what i have is

sda1 linux swap 2gb
sda2 ext3 10gb
sda3 extended 137.05 gb
    sda5 ext3 10gb
    sda6 ext3 10gb
unallocated 117gb

????

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#87

or did you want sba5 to be 137gig?

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Tom (tom6) said :
#88

Lol, nearly right. Just delete sda6 and sda5. then to replace them create

sda5 Logical 127Gb ext3
sda6 Logical 10Gb ext3

and that gives you a decently large space for your data and settings in sda5 then :)
Regards from
Tom :)

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Tom (tom6) said :
#89

Hi again :)

Note that sda6 is a "sandbox" just large enough for a complete install of Ubuntu so that you can try out future releases safely in the sandbox without affecting your known stable main install. This way you can keep using your existing Ubuntu until you are happy to upgrade.

Linux tries to avoid any scenario where people break existing systems in order to jump into an upgrade that might fail. Windows is quite happy if their users suddenly find they have no usable system forcing them into extended down-time and potential high repair costs. With linux we get plenty of chances of trying new releases before committing to them.

Regards from
Tom :)

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#90

ok thats done

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#91

I get it, great idea. Now I simply run an install based on your notes from above, correct?

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Tom (tom6) said :
#92

Superb :) That's one of the main things that really confuses people when we were new to linux. In fact many people use linux for years without understanding any of this stuff!
Congrats on getting this far! Regards from
Tom :)

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Tom (tom6) said :
#93

Yep :)

...

Ok, now for the install itself. When you get to the partitioning section choose the bottom option "Advance" or "Manual" partitioning. This will re-scan the drive and then show the partitions you have already prepared. Edit the partitions to set their "Mount Points" like this

sda2 /
sda5 /home

Ignore sda1 and sda6 (and sda3). Having a separate partition for your /home keeps all the data&settings very much safer.

Regards from
Tom again :)

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#94

ok...here it goes

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Tom (tom6) said :
#95

Hi :)

Before doing this step it might be good to ensure you have the external hard-drive unplugged jic. Yes i have burned my fingers this way a few times!
Regards from
Tom :)

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#96

i guess i'm dumb...how do i set the mount points... it only lets me delete change or revert and all partitions are showing????

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#97

sorry, i think i got it... i will be formatting these, correct? Since i have the files on the external

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Tom (tom6) said :
#98

Hi :)

Yes, it's not immediately obvious. First you have to tell the pop-up box that you will be using the partition. then it lets you set the mount point. It is a curiously ham-fisted approach, very unusual of linux but these things do happen sometimes.

You don't really need to re-format the partitions. It might try to give you a warning if you don't but after that little grumble it will happily carry on as told.
Regards from
Tom :)

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Tom (tom6) said :
#99

It doesn't matter if you do re-format the partitions but sometimes it is nice to slap it's wrist and get to to obey you just because you can. Either way is good. Formatting doesn't take hugely long.
Regards from
Tom :)

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Tom (tom6) said :
#100

Hi?

Are you installing from the LiveCd's desktop? There is a great game to play at the same time called galaxians or xgala or something but you'd have to install it to the Live session. I tend to go for cards, or lunch or something

Regards from
Tom :)

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#101

is this working?

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#102

i've tried to send you a few messages with errors I received from synaptic manager when trying to reinstall the Markings file but I keep getting a time out error from launchpad.

In addition, what is the correct command to transfer the back up home file to sba5?

Thank you

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#103

Should I use this: cd / && sudo mv /home /old_home && cd / && sudo mkdir -p /home

that was in the command from the Move document you sent me to switch out the home folders

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Tom (tom6) said :
#104

Hi :)

Ahh, i just got a message about 10mins ago and now this one. no error mesages so far
Regards from
Tom :)

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Tom (tom6) said :
#105

No, we need to avoid mv commands because they mess up the permissions. To use the markings just open Synaptic and go up to it's "File" menu. Then choose "Read Markings". Hopefully you didn't try this before? If that was how you got the error messages then i am not sure how to proceed with that.
Regards from
Tom :)

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#106

this is a sample of them, i guess there file was too many to send

W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/pam/libpam-modules_1.1.1-2ubuntu5_i386.deb
  Could not resolve 'security.ubuntu.com'

W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/b/base-files/base-files_5.0.0ubuntu20.10.04.2_i386.deb
  Could not resolve 'security.ubuntu.com'

W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/coreutils/coreutils_7.4-2ubuntu3_i386.deb
  Could not resolve 'us.archive.ubuntu.com'

W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/eglibc/libc-bin_2.11.1-0ubuntu7.6_i386.deb
  Could not resolve 'us.archive.ubuntu.com'

W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/eglibc/libc6_2.11.1-0ubuntu7.6_i386.deb
  Could not resolve 'us.archive.ubuntu.com'

W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/eglibc/libc6-i686_2.11.1-0ubuntu7.6_i386.deb
  Could not resolve 'us.archive.ubuntu.com'

W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/eglibc/libc-dev-bin_2.11.1-0ubuntu7.6_i386.deb
  Could not resolve 'us.archive.ubuntu.com'

W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/eglibc/libc6-dev_2.11.1-0ubuntu7.6_i386.deb
  Could not resolve 'us.archive.ubuntu.com'

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#107

yes that is how i proceeded... no worries, i will just go through them and reinstall what i need

so how shall i transfer the old home file over to sda5?

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Tom (tom6) said :
#108

Hi :)

Ahah, i think we have not enabled all the repositories you had open before. I think you need to work through the medibuntu page and then open Synaptic. In Synaptic click on
Settings - Repositories
and on the first tab "Ubuntu Software" tick all except the "Source code" at the bottom. Then go straight to the "updates" tab and choose ones that look about right. For my main stable install i tick only the top 2
 * Important Security updates
 * Recommended updates
For my equivalent of sda6 i tick most of the rest too but i feel it is more important for my main stable install to remain stable and is less important to have all the latest test releases of updates and stuff.
Regards from
Tom :)

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Tom (tom6) said :
#109

Have you got evolution installed on sda? You are booting into it just fine i guess? I usually install Gimp and run through the medibuntu page
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
to sort multimedia out in one go. Also install mplayer and vlc for their extra codecs. you will need a flash player if you might want to watch youtube or other movies on the internet. Apart from that i am not sure what else you might have installed. I tend to install Wesnoth and a few versions of chess.

Have you noticed that when you boot into your new sda2 install of Ubuntu and go uip to the Places menu and open Documents the status bar at the bottom shows you have considerably more than 10Gb free? Press the up-arrow in the file browser a few times and you will see the amount of free-space drop radically once you reach the root directory.

Regards from
Tom :)

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#110

ok, thanks

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#111

no i h aven't done anything... how do i get my old evolution files over to the home? just drag and drop?

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#112

btw...documents has about 118gb...

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Tom (tom6) said :
#113

Hi :)

To copy the old /home back over to sda5 needs rsync, possibly grsync might make it easier. It is going to be something like this again

sudo rsync -axS --exclude='/*/.gvfs' /media/af8gh987437dfad348957/home. /home/.

but again i am not certain about exactly what this will look like. Early on in that page aout moving the /home it mentions that you can find the uuid numbers of the partitions with this command

sudo blkid

so lets see what that says?
Regards from
Tom :)

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#114

synaptic worked!!!

now how do i get the home file over and the evolution file too?

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Tom (tom6) said :
#115

Superb, so the markings file worked this time too?

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#116

yes... I think I needed to do the initial download of filings first, then I did what you told me on the settings, then the markings and it worked.

Now, how do i get my old home over and evolution working... can't I simply drag and drop the evolution file into the old home so when it goes over it is updated?

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Tom (tom6) said :
#117

Hi

You really need to use grsync or rsync to do that. With grsync it might be more obvious because the gui lets you browse to the right folder on sdb5 so that you can see easily where the source is. Then the next bit should let you browse to the destination folder which is just your /home.

With rsync it is a bit more complicated because we need to find out the uuid number of sdb5 which we can find out from

sudo blkid

I would install grsync and then decide whether i wanted to use the gui or the command-line.
Regards from
Tom :)

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#118

sudo rsync -axS --exclude='/*/.gvfs' /media/af8gh987437dfad348957/home. /home/.

the media file should be the UUID for sdb5 correct, where the old file is?

That would be: f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8

Or should it be sda5 where the new one is? 254ea881-b9ff-426c-9cce-df00e5e0830a

Oh never mind the above... i will try it with grsync

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#119

This isn't good, now i can't find it... I know I did it because we did the compare file of the two separate home folders; it was in the sdb5 filesystem???

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#120

i have a back up of it that i did yesterday, but thats not the one I did today? But it has all the hidden files in it, should I just use that?

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Tom (tom6) said :
#121

Hi

Ok, you have the external drive plugged in? Can you look around in the Places menu to find sdb5 in there?

It might be a good plan to install gparted and have a look at sdb in there. That should show how much space (yellow fill) is in sdb5. You might have used sdb7 instead?

Please can you give us the output of

sudo fdisk -l

so we can see how things stand at the moment?
Regards from
Tom :)

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#122

they are not named that... I'm pretty sure it is the 263gig filesystem

should i check using terminal window directory? if so, would i simply type dir sdb5?

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#123

I know i used sdb5; there's about 190gig of free space

ack@jack-desktop:~$ sudo fdisk -l

Disk /dev/sda: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x0003f231

   Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sda1 1 261 2096451 82 Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sda2 * 262 1566 10482412+ 83 Linux
/dev/sda3 1567 19457 143709427 5 Extended
/dev/sda5 1567 18145 133170786 83 Linux
/dev/sda6 18146 19457 10538608+ 83 Linux

Disk /dev/sdb: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x68116811

   Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sdb1 * 1 32031 257287148+ 7 HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sdb2 32031 60802 231098369 5 Extended
/dev/sdb5 32031 46422 115590634 83 Linux
/dev/sdb6 60428 60802 3005440 82 Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sdb7 46422 60053 109494272 83 Linux
/dev/sdb8 60053 60428 3005440 82 Linux swap / Solaris

Partition table entries are not in disk order

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#124

sorry... 105 gig free on sdb5

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#125

is there a reason why in my places menu the 112gig and 118gig partition show up twice?

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Tom (tom6) said :
#126

errr how much free space is on sdb7?

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#127

100 gig

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Tom (tom6) said :
#128

HI

No, that is unusual but it is possible i guess. The 112Gb partition has 105Gb free space on it? How much free space does the 118Gb have? Are you sure you are looking at the free space rather than the used space? If you look at sdb through Gparted (the top-right button switches from sda to sdb) then the yellow fill shows the space that is being used.

Do you have a 2nd machine, perhaps with Windows on it? Can you use a 2nd machine to download Trinity Rescue Kit?
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=trinity
and make a Cd of that?

I have a bad feeling that we might be looking at a data recovery scenario.
Regards from
Tom

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#129

i'm sure... I must not have copied it over...I thought when I compared the folders it was looking at the two different ones and the UUID number was used when i was doing that Fstab stuff

Why cant i use the backup I did from yesterday?

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#130

Remember, I have all my data on on the external, and i have a copy of the home file

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#131

I don't use any program files except for what comes with Ubuntu, so i'm not worried about that... I would like to try and get my evolution docs, but i think, grsync can copy hidden files, that i should be able to transfer it over from my home file back from yesterday...don't you think?

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#132

i started to run grsync with the back up I did yesterday but grsync doesn't show the hidden files, do you think they will be copied if I run? What is the down side of trying it?

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Tom (tom6) said :
#133

Hi

Ok, is the uuid number
f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8
likely to be the one you used in fstab when we were copying the /home?

Err, are you saying that you moved all the data off sda yesterday onto the Windows partition on the external drive?

Ok, lets assume that sdb5 is where the settings for /home got rsync'd to sdb5 and the data had already been moved to sdb1. So the .evolution files we want are on sdb5. If you are using rsync (rather than grsync) to move the /home back onto sda then the rsync command should be something like

sudo rsync -axS --exclude='/*/.gvfs' /media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home. /home/.

Note that the source this time is "/media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home." and the desstination is "/home/.". The tags are "-axS" and there is a special instruction "--exclude='/*/.gvfs' ". Each of those elements in the command need to be separated by a space. Notice that "/*/.gvfs" is inside single quotes, not double ones.

Regards from
Tom :)

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#134

Err, are you saying that you moved all the data off sda yesterday onto the Windows partition on the external drive? Yes, I have a complete back of the home file (all hidden files) on the external.

How would the date move to sdb1, and if it did, why can't I find it?

I will try running the comand you put out her and let you know how it goes. I don't think I need to make any changes, I will just cut and paste

Thank you

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Tom (tom6) said :
#135

Hi :)

I am pretty certain the command

sudo rsync -axS --exclude='/*/.gvfs' /media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home. /home/.

all on one line, will put all your evolution and other settings back into the /home on the sda drive. With grsync i think you need to use the tabs to make sure it shows the hidden files & folders. Both grsync and rsync are "sync" type commands, so if it is run with minor differences it updates the minor differences, not the entire thing all over again each time. It is really meant to be used to back-up systems or keep files sync'd across systems or across drives.

If you want to limit the first sync to just the evolution folder then i think the command would be

sudo rsync -axS --exclude='/*/.gvfs' /media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home/username/.evolution. /home/username/.evolution/.

Regards from
Tom :)

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#136

This is what I got:

jack@jack-desktop:~$ sudo rsync -axS --exclude='/*/.gvfs' /media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home. /home/.
[sudo] password for jack:
rsync: link_stat "/media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home." failed: No such file or directory (2)
rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1060) [sender=3.0.7]

Should I restart and see what's missing?

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#137

and....

jack@jack-desktop:~$ sudo rsync -axS --exclude='/*/.gvfs' /media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home/username/.evolution. /home/username/.evolution/.
rsync: change_dir "/media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home/username" failed: No such file or directory (2)
rsync: change_dir#3 "/home/username/.evolution" failed: No such file or directory (2)
rsync error: errors selecting input/output files, dirs (code 3) at main.c(633) [Receiver=3.0.7]
rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (9 bytes received so far) [sender]
rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(601) [sender=3.0.7]

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Tom (tom6) said :
#138

Hi again :)

Ok, i am feeling a lot more confident again now that i have been struggling with the rsync command but i think it does make sense.

The usernames in the source and destination parts of my last suggestion may be completely different. Tab-complete might help with that part!

sdb1 is quite full i guess? The 263Gb drive is the Ntfs Windows one and i am pretty sure that is where your data went yesterday when you were using the "mv" command.
Regards from
Tom :)

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#139

"With grsync i think you need to use the tabs to make sure it shows the hidden files & folders."

what does this mean? If I can see evolution folder, i will try it with the grsync; as of now they don't show up in the grsync destination dialog box

Correct, that is where my data is, the 263gb drive

I retried it taking out "username" and putting in jack which is what the directories say but I got this error anyway:

jack@jack-desktop:~$ sudo rsync -axS --exclude='/*/.gvfs' /media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home/jack/.evolution. /home/jack/.evolution/.
rsync: link_stat "/media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home/jack/.evolution." failed: No such file or directory (2)
rsync: change_dir#3 "/home/jack/.evolution" failed: No such file or directory (2)
rsync error: errors selecting input/output files, dirs (code 3) at main.c(633) [Receiver=3.0.7]
rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (9 bytes received so far) [sender]
rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(601) [sender=3.0.7]

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Tom (tom6) said :
#140

HI :)

Right, i was wondering if there should have been a matching / at the end of the source

sudo rsync -axS --exclude='/*/.gvfs' /media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home/username/.evolution/. /home/jack/.evolution/.

However it is still unclear wht the source's username is. We should be able to find out from the command-line. Try this

cd /media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home
ls

and paste the output of that "LS" into here. One of the folder names there will hopefully be the username we are looking for.
Regards from
Tom :)

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#141

this is what i got:

jack@jack-desktop:~$ cd /media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home
jack@jack-desktop:/media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home$ ls
jack
jack@jack-desktop:/media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home$
jack@jack-desktop:/media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home$ sudo rsync -axS --exclude='/*/.gvfs' /media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home/jack/.evolution/. /home/jack/.evolution/
rsync: change_dir "/media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home/jack/.evolution" failed: No such file or directory (2)
rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1060) [sender=3.0.7]

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Tom (tom6) said :
#142

Hi again :)

Another way to find out the usesrname is to copy&paste thsi much onto the command-line and then tap the tab key twice as tho double-clicking it

sudo rsync -axS --exclude='/*/.gvfs' /media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home

that should present you with a few options one of which is the "obvious" username that we need in that source part of the command.

We already know the username for the destination because when you pasted your command-line into here it showed the username and computer name "jack@jack-desktop:~$ " shows the username you are logged in as is "jack" and the machine's name is "jack-desktop". If the machine is networked then i think people would see your machine as "jack-desktop".

Using the tab complete can help work out whether a command or pathname is valid and that would be useful for finding out whether "evolution" needs "." at the start or not. I have a feeling that you don't need the ".evolution" and it should probably be just "evolution".

Regards from
Tom :)

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Tom (tom6) said :
#143

Ok, lets assume the . is the problem. try this

sudo rsync -axS --exclude='/*/.gvfs' /media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home/username/evolution. /home/jack/evolution/.

Regards from
Tom :)

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Tom (tom6) said :
#144

Ok, lets assume the . is the problem. try this

sudo rsync -axS --exclude='/*/.gvfs' /media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home/jack/evolution. /home/jack/evolution/.

Regards from
Tom :)

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#145

(1) is there a way I can see the files on sdb1 using "dir" command? how do I get there? Wouldn't that show if the old home file is there?

(2) if i chose the folder where my back up from yesterday is contained using the grsync gui program, will it copy over the hidden files to the home folder? I went through the options and did not see anything about hidden files.

I tried what you said and got this:

jack@jack-desktop:/media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home$ sudo rsync -axS --exclude='/*/.gvfs' /media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/homesudo rsync -axS --exclude='/*/.gvfs' /media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home/username/evolution. /home/jack/evolution/.
rsync: link_stat "/media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/homesudo" failed: No such file or directory (2)
rsync: link_stat "/media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home/rsync" failed: No such file or directory (2)
rsync: change_dir "/media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home/username" failed: No such file or directory (2)
rsync: change_dir#3 "/home/jack/evolution" failed: No such file or directory (2)
rsync error: errors selecting input/output files, dirs (code 3) at main.c(633) [Receiver=3.0.7]
rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (9 bytes received so far) [sender]
rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(601) [sender=3.0.7]

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Tom (tom6) said :
#146

Ok, from the Community Documentaion about rsync i think all the dots are at fault.
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/rsync

So, try

sudo rsync -axS --exclude='/*/.gvfs' /media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home/jack/evolution/ /home/jack/evolution

Notice that i have used a / at the end of the source address but NOT at the end of the destination address? This is the reverse of what we have tried before. If this command doesn't work then i think the extra / IS needed at the end of the destination too? I would try the command once without and then once with. One way has to work surely!
Regards from
Tom :)

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#147

the user name is definite "jack"

can we try this with the evolution back up I know I have? It is located in the 263gig drive in a folder called Jack/Home Back up 010511/Jack

I tried what you said and got:

jack@jack-desktop:/media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home$ sudo rsync -axS --exclude='/*/.gvfs' /media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home/jack/evolution/ /home/jack/evolution
rsync: change_dir "/media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home/jack/evolution" failed: No such file or directory (2)
rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1060) [sender=3.0.7]

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Tom (tom6) said :
#148

Hi again :)

I am not certain how grsync works. Try it and see if you get the result we need. you can always opena file-browser to look in /home/jack/evolution or open a 2nd command-line and try

cd /home/jack/evolution
ls

to see what is in there
regards from
Tom :)

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Tom (tom6) said :
#149

Ok, lets try using tab-complete to see if that can give us an answer. Copy&paste this to a command-line but instead of pressing enter press the tab key instead

sudo rsync -axS --exclude='/*/.gvfs' /media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home/jack/evol

Notice that the line i have used is incomplete? When you press the tab key does it complete the name "evolution"?

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#150

I am still not convinced that the old home file is on sdb1

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#151

no

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Tom (tom6) said :
#152

Ok, can you try

sudo rsync -axS --exclude='/*/.gvfs' /media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home/jack/.evol

notiing that there is a . immediately in fornt of "evol" this time. Now does the word/name "evolution" complete when you press tab instead of enter?
Regards from
Tom :)

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Tom (tom6) said :
#153

HI :)

can you try truncating it even earlier? try this but again press tab at the end of the line instead of enter

sudo rsync -axS --exclude='/*/.gvfs' /media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home/ja

Does that complete the name "jack"?
regards from
Tom :)

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#154

it completed when i pasted it

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#155

I thought it was working...it asked for a password for the first time and it took a bit, but this is the error I got:

jack@jack-desktop:/media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home$ sudo rsync -axS --exclude='/*/.gvfs' /media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/jack/Home Back up 010611/jack/.evolution
[sudo] password for jack:
rsync: link_stat "/media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/jack/Home" failed: No such file or directory (2)
rsync: link_stat "/media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home/Back" failed: No such file or directory (2)
rsync: link_stat "/media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home/up" failed: No such file or directory (2)
rsync: change_dir#3 "/media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home/010611/jack" failed: No such file or directory (2)
rsync error: errors selecting input/output files, dirs (code 3) at main.c(633) [Receiver=3.0.7]
rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (9 bytes received so far) [sender]
rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(601) [sender=3.0.7

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Tom (tom6) said :
#156

Ok, did the word/name "evolution" completed that 2nd time?

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Tom (tom6) said :
#157

Hi :)

It is 1am here and i need to sleep. I think we can carry on with this tomorrow. We are both making mistakes so it is time to walk away for a while and get a break from it. You have done great stuff today tho! Well beyond the reach of many people in linux-land :)

Regards from
Tom :)

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#158

i got this o n the second one:

jack@jack-desktop:/media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home$ sudo rsync -axS --exclude='/*/.gvfs' /media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home/jack/
drwxr-xr-x 4096 2010/10/26 11:13:31 .
-rw-r--r-- 220 2010/08/10 11:07:54 .bash_logout
-rw-r--r-- 3103 2010/08/10 11:07:54 .bashrc
-rw-r--r-- 675 2010/08/10 11:07:54 .profile
-rw-r--r-- 179 2010/08/10 11:07:54 examples.desktop
drwx------ 4096 2010/08/10 11:10:51 .cache
drwx------ 4096 2010/08/10 11:10:51 .cache/wallpaper
-rw-r--r-- 310123 2010/08/10 11:10:51 .cache/wallpaper/zoom_1280_1024__usr_share_backgrounds_warty-final-ubuntu.png
drwx------ 4096 2010/08/10 11:10:35 .gconf

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#159

btw... it just finished jack...did not add evolution

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Tom (tom6) said :
#160

HI

Now press the up-arrow on the keyboard to get back to that lst command and add ".evol" to the end and press tab again ot see if the word/name "evolution" completes this time from

sudo rsync -axS --exclude='/*/.gvfs' /media/f51c0220-b597-4ca8-8f62-894d74c842a8/home/jack/.evol

Notice that this is not complete command yet, we are trying to build it up using tab-complete to help us get it right. So far we are just working at getting the address of the source that we want to copy. After we have done that we can probably guess the destination address much more easily.
Regards from
Tom :)

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Tom (tom6) said :
#161

I really have to sleep. we can work at sorting the email tomorrow
regards from
Tom :)

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#162

no, that didn't work

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#163

no worries...by the way, i am not surrprised, remember, .evolution wasn't working maybe it wasn't in that home folder???

good night and thank you for all your help

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#164

Good morning,

fyi I made a backup copy of .evolution in my home folder, deleted it, then replaced it with the back up I had from Wed. Unfortunately, when I restarted, evolution is still starting me from scratch, not the result i was hoping for.... back to square one.

Also, restart did not load any of my old preferences on the system, confirming that the rsync we did last night did not replace new with old home folder.

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Tom (tom6) said :
#165

Hi :)

We didn't manage to use rsync last night. We spent ages trying to work out how to use the command. this guide might help
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/rsync

in order to copy something we first need to tell it where to find the stuff we want copied. This is known as "the source". Then we need to tell it where to copy the stuff too.

We were stuck at the first part of that, trying to tell it where to find the stuff to copy. Tab-complete can be an excellent way of getting the pathname right but first we need to make sure that sdb5 is mounted. I would do that from the Places menu. If you also mount sdb1 and sdb7 at the same time then that would not hurt.

Once you have sdb5 opened in a file-browser or something just look around for the .evolution folder. It 'should' be in sdb5/home/jack but it might be in just sdb5. Note that most of the time you will have to replace the name "sdb5" with the uuid number of sdb5.

To find the uuid numbers of all your partitions please try the command

sudo blkid

that is lower-case for "BLKID". Posting the result of that command would help us in here because at the moment there seems to be too many unknowns. Giving your uuid numbers is safe.
Regards from
Tom :)

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#166

Tom,

I was able to get evolution working... what I did is this:

1) made a backup copy of home/.evolution/
2)deleted home/.evolution
3)dragged and dropped .evolution folder from my Wednesday backup folder (on sdb5 or 1)
4)Went to my ISP, marked all my emails (from the last email I had in evolution) as new
5)Set up Evolution as if new
6)rebooted
7)started evolution
8)it downloaded all my new emails from the time I lost Ubuntu

While I don't have all my other preferences settings, i.e. desktop, mozilla, etc, I can start new and set them up.

So I'm good and will close this question. I can't thank you enough for all the help you gave me on this. I felt like I am slowly learning about how flexible Ubuntu really is and want to learn more. Any suggestion to that end will be greatly appreciated. I would like to do the following and appreciate if you can steer me to any good documentation about them:

a) clean up my external drive partitions once I've copied all my files back to internal
b) set up a good back up regiment using Ubuntu
c) set up Ubuntu anti-virus program
d) terminal commands

Once again, thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Tom (tom6) said :
#167

Hi :)

Brilliant :) Nicely done :) That was great news to hear :)

Taking your end points in reverse order.
d) You don't need to worry about the command-line now that you have setup.
c) Linux is rarely affected by malware so you don't need to worry about anti-virus
b) backup is most crucial when you are messing around with partitioning but you have finished with that for now. Backup your crucial data and stuff that you really care about but you probably have a lot of data that you either wouldn't miss much or could rebuild fairly easily. I would use grsync for this. you don't need to backup the ubuntu system because it is easier to just reinstall. I do occasionally save my markings & my web-browsers bookmarks tho!
a) To get the data from your external to sda5 you could probably just drag&drop but it might be good proactice to use grsync. When you are ready to to get rid of the linux partitions on sdb you can use gparted to do it. Then you can set-up more sensible partitions.

I think i might partition the external something like this
sdb1 unchanged, or perhaps resized to be larger
sdb2 a small swap, say 1Gb or maybe as much as 4Gb
sdb3 Extended Partition
 . sdb5 maybe 10Gb for a / maybe for Ubuntu
 . sdb6 maybe 10Gb for a /home maybe for Ubuntu
or i might make sdb6 quite large and keep sdb1 unchanged . Ntfs is not as safe as ext3 but it does have the advantage of being able to be seen by both Windows and linux. Ext3 is slightly safer but can only be seen by linux. The problem with resizing sdb1 is that it takes ages and it is much more dangerous to resize Windows partitions than linux ones. It is a tough call but whichever route you choose is good :)

It can also be a good plan to avoid splitting a drive up into too many partitions because space is much easier to use usefully when it is all together. File-sizes, particularly movies, tend to get larger and it would be annoying to have to chop a file in half just to fit it on a drive!

I suggested installing Ubuntu or another linux distro onto the external drive so that you can show it off on other people's machines more easily. It does give you a 2nd sandbox area. I find it extremely useful to be able to boot-up almost any machine into my familiar desktop with all my tools ready. When i have to use someone else's machine i often find they use different tools or fail to have some functionality i find crucial also they often fail to look after their Windows so it works desperately slowly and i hate blue. So, for me it is handy to have a tiny usb-stick that lets me do what i want where i want at a reasonable speed.

In chess it is often good to increase your own flexibility while creating restrictions for your opponent. Having Ubuntu, or another distro, installed on your external drive increases your flexibility.

Welcome to linux-land, especially the ubuntu corner of it.
Congrats and regards from
Tom :)

PS
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/rsync
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Antivirus
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Linuxvirus

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal

PPS More about partitioning, you don't really need this either and some of it is slightly inaccurate or missing info that you already know. It is nice to hear other people's opinions tho!
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning issues
http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/partitioning

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#168

Great, thank you, once again for all your help and hours!

>o< light up the dark! >o<
Jack

ps...if you ever need any legal advice, give me a shout

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Tom (tom6) said :
#169

Hi again :)

Some useful sites worth bookmarking. Forums to ask questions (and maybe help other people) in
http://www.linuxquestions.org
http://www.ubuntuforums.com
https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+addquestion
The last link is Launchpad to help you post new questions

For documentation i tend to prefer "Community Documentation"
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Signpost
But there are a lot of other guides out there. Google or something can help find some really strange things. There is some official documentation but that is allegedly currently undergoing a major re-vamp. Psychocats is another good one usually even tho i was disappointed with their partitioning page.

For comparing different distro there is nothing even close to being as good as DistroWatch
http://distrowatch.com
They have pages on 674 different linux distros with another 233 on their waiting list. Comparison between distros is easy because they have standardised the pages so you can quickly get to the useful parts. Have a quick glimpse at these pages
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mint
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=fedora
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=slitaz
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=wolvix
The "Free Software Foundation" has a list of about 10-20 distros but they are careful to only include distros that meet their very exacting standards. Most other sites that attempt to list distros have some smart flashy whizzy things and perhaps some clever ways of helping you choose from their own lists but they typically only have about 10-50 distros listed. I'm thinking of places such as the The Linux Foundation which are probably excellent apart from their lists of distros. Notice that Ubuntu is top of the list on DistroWatch by a very significant margin, probably because DW is aimed at desktop users. RedHat is still number 1 on servers apparently but ubuntu is gaining ground there too.

Usually people tend to recommend sticking with 1 main distro and getting to know that fairly well before distro-hopping to find one you might prefer but with a spare sanbox area you could distro-hop in the sandbox while keeping your main Ubuntu very stable.

Have fun exploring and happy hunting :)
Regards from
Tom :)

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Jack Vultaggio (jvultaggio) said :
#170

thank you... sounds like some fun reading :)

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Tom (tom6) said :
#171

HI :)

They are not really for reading. They are just for a quick glance or for using when/if you need to find out something fairly specific
Regards from
Tom :)