Wireless Network Issues

Asked by Devin Brawner on 2011-07-13

When I installed Ubuntu it said that I needed to download a Broadcom STA wireless driver for a BCM4311. After I installed it and restarted my system, It no longer gives me an option to set up a wireless connection in the menu at the top of the screen. Can anybody help me? I new to Linux so I'm supper lost.

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Please first connect your wired network adapter to the wireless router using an ethernet cable (also known as a LAN cable).

In order to gather essential troubleshooting information about your wireless card, please follow this procedure:

Step 1:

If you are using the Gnome interface, open the Terminal console via "Applications->Accessories->Terminal"

If you are using the Unity interface, the easiest way to open the Terminal is to use the 'search' function on the dash. Or you can click on the 'More Apps' button, click on the 'See more results' by the installed section, and find it in that list of applications. A third way, available after you click on the 'More Apps' button, is to go to the search bar, and see that the far right end of it says 'All Applications'. You then click on that, and you'll see the full list. Then you can go to Accessories > Terminal after that.

So the methods in Unity are:
Dash > Search for Terminal
Dash > More Apps > 'See More Results' > Terminal
Dash > More Apps > Accessories > Terminal

Step 2: Please copy-paste the following command from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WirelessTroubleshootingProcedure in Firefox into the Linux Terminal. Do NOT copy-paste from the Email message into the Terminal, as that will only copy PART of the command. The command STARTS with the word sudo and ENDS with the word lsmod. So please copy-paste the ENTIRE command below from Firefox into a Terminal, press <enter>, then enter password when sudo asks for password, then press enter again.

Tip: If you have a wheel mouse or 3 button mouse you do not need to type commands into the Terminal. Highlight the command written on the page. Move your cursor anywhere in the Terminal and press the wheel or middle button. Automatic Copy and paste! No spelling mistakes! No Typos! No other errors!

sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install hwinfo grep; sudo lshw -C network; rfkill list; sudo iwlist scanning; cat /etc/network/interfaces; cat /etc/lsb-release; lspci -nn; lsusb; sudo lshw -short; uname -a; dmesg | egrep 'acx|at76|ath|b43|bcm|brcm|CX|eth|ipw|ireless|irmware|isl|lbtf|orinoco|ndiswrapper|NPE|ound|p54|prism|rtl|rt2|rt3|rt5|rt6|rt7|usb|witch|wl';sudo dmidecode|egrep 'Manufact|Product'; iwconfig; cat /etc/modprobe.d/* | egrep 'acx|at76|ath|b43|bcm|brcm|CX|eth|ipw|irmware|isl|lbtf|orinoco|ndiswrapper|NPE|p54|prism|rtl|rt2|rt3|rt6|rt7|witch|wl'; cat /var/lib/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.state; sudo hwinfo --netcard ; ps -aux|egrep 'icd|etwork'; sudo lsmod

Step 3: Please post results (copy/paste terminal output) on this thread. The troubleshooters here need to see the full Terminal output from running the above command.

Step 4: Please also specify the exact model and make of your PC (if known) on this thread

Step 5: Please also clarify if you installed Ubuntu to the harddisk and are running from a harddisk install OR if you are only testing Ubuntu in a LiveCD session.



Devin Brawner (devinbrawner) said : #2

To run a command as administrator (user "root"), use "sudo <command>".
See "man sudo_root" for details.

devin@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install hwinfo grep; sudo lshw -C network; rfkill list; sudo iwlist scanning; cat /etc/network/interfaces; cat /etc/lsb-release; lspci -nn; lsusb; sudo lshw -short; uname -a; dmesg | egrep 'acx|at76|ath|b43|bcm|brcm|CX|eth|ipw|ireless|irmware|isl|lbtf|orinoco|ndiswrapper|NPE|ound|p54|prism|rtl|rt2|rt3|rt5|rt6|rt7|usb|witch|wl';sudo dmidecode|egrep 'Manufact|Product'; iwconfig; cat /etc/modprobe.d/* | egrep 'acx|at76|ath|b43|bcm|brcm|CX|eth|ipw|irmware|isl|lbtf|orinoco|ndiswrapper|NPE|p54|prism|rtl|rt2|rt3|rt6|rt7|witch|wl'; cat /var/lib/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.state; sudo hwinfo --netcard ; ps -aux|egrep 'icd|etwork'; sudo lsmod
[sudo] password for devin:
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  *-network UNCLAIMED
       description: Network controller
       product: BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN
       vendor: Broadcom Corporation
       physical id: 0
       bus info: pci@0000:01:00.0
       version: 01
       width: 32 bits
       clock: 33MHz
       capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list
       configuration: latency=0
       resources: memory:b3000000-b3003fff
0: hp-wifi: Wireless LAN
 Soft blocked: no
 Hard blocked: no
lo Interface doesn't support scanning.

eth0 Interface doesn't support scanning.

auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

00:00.0 RAM memory [0500]: nVidia Corporation C51 Host Bridge [10de:02f0] (rev a2)
00:00.1 RAM memory [0500]: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 0 [10de:02fa] (rev a2)
00:00.2 RAM memory [0500]: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 1 [10de:02fe] (rev a2)
00:00.3 RAM memory [0500]: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 5 [10de:02f8] (rev a2)
00:00.4 RAM memory [0500]: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 4 [10de:02f9] (rev a2)
00:00.5 RAM memory [0500]: nVidia Corporation C51 Host Bridge [10de:02ff] (rev a2)
00:00.6 RAM memory [0500]: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 3 [10de:027f] (rev a2)
00:00.7 RAM memory [0500]: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 2 [10de:027e] (rev a2)
00:02.0 PCI bridge [0604]: nVidia Corporation C51 PCI Express Bridge [10de:02fc] (rev a1)
00:03.0 PCI bridge [0604]: nVidia Corporation C51 PCI Express Bridge [10de:02fd] (rev a1)
00:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation C51 [Geforce Go 6150] [10de:0244] (rev a2)
00:09.0 RAM memory [0500]: nVidia Corporation MCP51 Host Bridge [10de:0270] (rev a2)
00:0a.0 ISA bridge [0601]: nVidia Corporation MCP51 LPC Bridge [10de:0260] (rev a3)
00:0a.1 SMBus [0c05]: nVidia Corporation MCP51 SMBus [10de:0264] (rev a3)
00:0a.3 Co-processor [0b40]: nVidia Corporation MCP51 PMU [10de:0271] (rev a3)
00:0b.0 USB Controller [0c03]: nVidia Corporation MCP51 USB Controller [10de:026d] (rev a3)
00:0b.1 USB Controller [0c03]: nVidia Corporation MCP51 USB Controller [10de:026e] (rev a3)
00:0d.0 IDE interface [0101]: nVidia Corporation MCP51 IDE [10de:0265] (rev f1)
00:0e.0 IDE interface [0101]: nVidia Corporation MCP51 Serial ATA Controller [10de:0266] (rev f1)
00:10.0 PCI bridge [0604]: nVidia Corporation MCP51 PCI Bridge [10de:026f] (rev a2)
00:10.1 Audio device [0403]: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio [10de:026c] (rev a2)
00:14.0 Bridge [0680]: nVidia Corporation MCP51 Ethernet Controller [10de:0269] (rev a3)
00:18.0 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] HyperTransport Technology Configuration [1022:1100]
00:18.1 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Address Map [1022:1101]
00:18.2 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] DRAM Controller [1022:1102]
00:18.3 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Miscellaneous Control [1022:1103]
01:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN [14e4:4311] (rev 01)
05:09.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394) [0c00]: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller [1180:0832]
05:09.1 SD Host controller [0805]: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter [1180:0822] (rev 19)
05:09.2 System peripheral [0880]: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C592 Memory Stick Bus Host Adapter [1180:0592] (rev 0a)
05:09.3 System peripheral [0880]: Ricoh Co Ltd xD-Picture Card Controller [1180:0852] (rev 05)
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
H/W path Device Class Description
                          system HP Pavilion dv2000 (RG408UA#ABA) (RG408UA#
/0 bus 30B5
/0/0 memory 96KiB BIOS
/0/4 processor AMD Turion(tm) 64 X2
/0/4/5 memory 16KiB L1 cache
/0/4/6 memory 512KiB L2 cache
/0/1 memory 2GiB System Memory
/0/1/0 memory 1GiB SODIMM DDR Synchronous 800 MHz (1.2 n
/0/1/1 memory 1GiB SODIMM DDR Synchronous 800 MHz (1.2 n
/0/6 memory RAM memory
/0/0.1 memory RAM memory
/0/0.2 memory RAM memory
/0/0.3 memory RAM memory
/0/0.4 memory RAM memory
/0/0.5 memory RAM memory
/0/0.6 memory RAM memory
/0/0.7 memory RAM memory
/0/2 bridge C51 PCI Express Bridge
/0/2/0 network BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN
/0/3 bridge C51 PCI Express Bridge
/0/5 display C51 [Geforce Go 6150]
/0/9 memory RAM memory
/0/a bridge MCP51 LPC Bridge
/0/a.1 bus MCP51 SMBus
/0/a.3 processor MCP51 PMU
/0/7 bus MCP51 USB Controller
/0/b.1 bus MCP51 USB Controller
/0/d scsi3 storage MCP51 IDE
/0/d/0.0.0 /dev/cdrom disk DVD RW DW-G521A
/0/e scsi0 storage MCP51 Serial ATA Controller
/0/e/0.0.0 /dev/sda disk 120GB SAMSUNG HM120JI
/0/e/0.0.0/1 /dev/sda1 volume 111GiB Windows NTFS volume
/0/10 bridge MCP51 PCI Bridge
/0/10/9 bus R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller
/0/10/9.1 generic R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter
/0/10/9.2 generic R5C592 Memory Stick Bus Host Adapter
/0/10/9.3 generic xD-Picture Card Controller
/0/10.1 multimedia MCP51 High Definition Audio
/0/14 eth0 bridge MCP51 Ethernet Controller
/0/100 bridge K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] HyperTransport Techn
/0/101 bridge K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Address Map
/0/102 bridge K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] DRAM Controller
/0/103 bridge K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Miscellaneous Contro
/1 system
Linux ubuntu 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:31:24 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[ 0.000000] DMI: Hewlett-Packard HP Pavilion dv2000 (RG408UA#ABA)/30B5, BIOS F.3C 06/02/2008
[ 0.000000] No AGP bridge found
[ 0.000000] found SMP MP-table at [ffff8800000f8780] f8780
[ 0.000000] No NUMA configuration found
[ 0.000000] No AGP bridge found
[ 0.020000] Switch to broadcast mode on CPU1
[ 0.300447] Switch to broadcast mode on CPU0
[ 0.310375] [Firmware Bug]: ACPI: BIOS _OSI(Linux) query ignored
[ 0.320597] [Firmware Bug]: ACPI: No _BQC method, cannot determine initial brightness
[ 0.500189] ACPI: No dock devices found.
[ 0.500192] HEST: Table not found.
[ 0.590117] usbcore: registered new interface driver usbfs
[ 0.590133] usbcore: registered new interface driver hub
[ 0.590177] usbcore: registered new device driver usb
[ 0.630071] Switching to clocksource hpet
[ 0.639574] Switched to NOHz mode on CPU #1
[ 0.639579] Switched to NOHz mode on CPU #0
[ 0.644043] pnp: PnP ACPI: found 11 devices
[ 0.657852] pci 0000:00:00.0: Found enabled HT MSI Mapping
[ 0.657881] pci 0000:00:00.0: Found enabled HT MSI Mapping
[ 0.860392] pci 0000:00:09.0: Found enabled HT MSI Mapping
[ 0.860452] pci 0000:00:09.0: Found enabled HT MSI Mapping
[ 0.860515] pci 0000:00:09.0: Found enabled HT MSI Mapping
[ 0.889831] input: Lid Switch as /devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0C0D:00/input/input0
[ 0.950088] ACPI: Lid Switch [LID0]
[ 0.975742] ERST: Table is not found!
[ 1.343535] i2c-core: driver [adp5520] using legacy suspend method
[ 1.343538] i2c-core: driver [adp5520] using legacy resume method
[ 1.390236] hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found
[ 1.492270] hub 2-0:1.0: USB hub found
[ 1.560599] device-mapper: multipath: version 1.2.0 loaded
[ 1.560603] device-mapper: multipath round-robin: version 1.0.0 loaded
[ 1.562272] powernow-k8: Found 1 AMD Turion(tm) 64 X2 (2 cpu cores) (version 2.20.00)
[ 1.563079] BIOS EDD facility v0.16 2004-Jun-25, 0 devices found
[ 1.800858] forcedeth: Reverse Engineered nForce ethernet driver. Version 0.64.
[ 1.801177] forcedeth 0000:00:14.0: PCI INT A -> Link[LMAC] -> GSI 17 (level, high) -> IRQ 17
[ 1.801184] forcedeth 0000:00:14.0: setting latency timer to 64
[ 2.330955] forcedeth 0000:00:14.0: ifname eth0, PHY OUI 0x5043 @ 1, addr 00:16:d3:9d:12:28
[ 2.330962] forcedeth 0000:00:14.0: highdma pwrctl lnktim desc-v3
[ 2.901507] sdhci-pci 0000:05:09.1: SDHCI controller found [1180:0822] (rev 19)
[ 2.902870] mmc0: no vmmc regulator found
[ 24.832131] lp: driver loaded but no devices found
[ 25.037841] [Firmware Bug]: ACPI: No _BQC method, cannot determine initial brightness
[ 26.156160] wl: module license 'MIXED/Proprietary' taints kernel.
[ 26.177566] wl 0000:01:00.0: PCI INT A -> Link[LK2E] -> GSI 19 (level, high) -> IRQ 19
[ 26.177575] wl 0000:01:00.0: setting latency timer to 64
[ 26.180057] eth%d: driver failed with code 21
[ 28.143177] forcedeth 0000:00:14.0: eth0: no link during initialization
[ 28.144228] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready
[ 142.531049] forcedeth 0000:00:14.0: eth0: link up
[ 142.532377] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready
[ 152.580043] eth0: no IPv6 routers present
 Manufacturer: Hewlett-Packard
 Product Name: HP Pavilion dv2000 (RG408UA#ABA)
 Manufacturer: Wistron
 Product Name: 30B5
 Manufacturer: Wistron
 Manufacturer: AMD
 Manufacturer: Not Specified
 Manufacturer: Not Specified
 Manufacturer Name: Intel
lo no wireless extensions.

eth0 no wireless extensions.

# which ath5k cannot recover. To prevent this condition, stop
blacklist ath_pci
# Warning: This file is autogenerated by bcmwl. All changes to this file will be lost.
blacklist b43
blacklist b43legacy
blacklist bcm43xx
blacklist brcm80211
blacklist eth1394
# replaced by p54pci
blacklist prism54
# replaced by b43 and ssb.
blacklist bcm43xx
blacklist uart6850
blacklist twl4030_wdt

> hal.1: read hal dataprocess 1939: arguments to dbus_move_error() were incorrect, assertion "(dest) == NULL || !dbus_error_is_set ((dest))" failed in file dbus-errors.c line 280.
This is normally a bug in some application using the D-Bus library.
libhal.c 3483 : Error unsubscribing to signals, error=The name org.freedesktop.Hal was not provided by any .service files
29: PCI 14.0: 0200 Ethernet controller
  [Created at pci.318]
  Unique ID: rBUF.ZJ+MdXCWtO7
  SysFS ID: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0
  SysFS BusID: 0000:00:14.0
  Hardware Class: network
  Model: "nVidia MCP51 Ethernet Controller"
  Vendor: pci 0x10de "nVidia Corporation"
  Device: pci 0x0269 "MCP51 Ethernet Controller"
  SubVendor: pci 0x103c "Hewlett-Packard Company"
  SubDevice: pci 0x30b5
  Revision: 0xa3
  Driver: "forcedeth"
  Driver Modules: "forcedeth"
  Device File: eth0
  Memory Range: 0xb0007000-0xb0007fff (rw,non-prefetchable)
  I/O Ports: 0x30b8-0x30bf (rw)
  IRQ: 17 (15265 events)
  HW Address: 00:16:d3:9d:12:28
  Link detected: yes
  Module Alias: "pci:v000010DEd00000269sv0000103Csd000030B5bc06sc80i00"
  Driver Info #0:
    Driver Status: forcedeth is active
    Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe forcedeth"
  Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown

34: PCI 100.0: 0280 Network controller
  [Created at pci.318]
  Unique ID: VCu0.5D2YRgUfek7
  Parent ID: _Znp.vb_wK0zCCz5
  SysFS ID: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.0/0000:01:00.0
  SysFS BusID: 0000:01:00.0
  Hardware Class: network
  Model: "Hewlett-Packard Company BCM4311 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller"
  Vendor: pci 0x14e4 "Broadcom"
  Device: pci 0x4311 "BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN"
  SubVendor: pci 0x103c "Hewlett-Packard Company"
  SubDevice: pci 0x1363 "BCM4311 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller"
  Revision: 0x01
  Memory Range: 0xb3000000-0xb3003fff (rw,non-prefetchable)
  IRQ: 19 (no events)
  Module Alias: "pci:v000014E4d00004311sv0000103Csd00001363bc02sc80i00"
  Driver Info #0:
    Driver Status: ssb is not active
    Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe ssb"
  Driver Info #1:
    Driver Status: wl is active
    Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe wl"
  Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown
  Attached to: #16 (PCI bridge)
Warning: bad ps syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See http://procps.sf.net/faq.html
root 803 0.0 0.2 103240 5004 ? Ssl 16:48 0:00 NetworkManager
root 1522 0.0 0.0 7084 1480 ? S 16:50 0:00 /sbin/dhclient -d -4 -sf /usr/lib/NetworkManager/nm-dhcp-client.action -pf /var/run/dhclient-eth0.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient-adc045b0-2a6e-4973-9db0-6d363f98591c-eth0.lease -cf /var/run/nm-dhclient-eth0.conf eth0
devin 1951 0.0 0.0 13128 1012 pts/0 S+ 16:54 0:00 egrep --color=auto icd|etwork
Module Size Used by
binfmt_misc 17565 1
parport_pc 36959 0
ppdev 17113 0
nvidia 10709116 40
snd_hda_codec_conexant 57511 1
wl 2568244 0
joydev 17606 0
hp_wmi 13706 0
sparse_keymap 13898 1 hp_wmi
snd_hda_intel 33211 2
snd_hda_codec 103804 2 snd_hda_codec_conexant,snd_hda_intel
snd_hwdep 13604 1 snd_hda_codec
snd_pcm 96625 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec
snd_seq_midi 13324 0
snd_rawmidi 30486 1 snd_seq_midi
snd_seq_midi_event 14899 1 snd_seq_midi
snd_seq 61621 2 snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
lib80211 14991 1 wl
snd_timer 29602 2 snd_pcm,snd_seq
snd_seq_device 14462 3 snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq
r852 18246 0
sm_common 16817 1 r852
nand 55112 2 r852,sm_common
nand_ids 12723 1 nand
nand_ecc 13230 1 nand
mtd 27900 2 sm_common,nand
snd 67382 13 snd_hda_codec_conexant,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device
psmouse 73535 0
edac_core 53845 0
soundcore 12680 1 snd
k8temp 13016 0
serio_raw 13166 0
nv_tco 13603 0
snd_page_alloc 18529 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
i2c_nforce2 13058 0
edac_mce_amd 23464 0
video 19438 0
lp 17825 0
parport 46458 3 parport_pc,ppdev,lp
firewire_ohci 40370 0
firewire_core 62646 1 firewire_ohci
sdhci_pci 13989 0
sdhci 27387 1 sdhci_pci
forcedeth 63555 0
crc_itu_t 12707 1 firewire_core
pata_amd 14130 0
sata_nv 32054 1

My Computer is an HP Pavillion dv2125nr
Ubuntu is running alongside windows 7 off my hard-drive.

I am pretty sure that your wireless adapter is experiencing the following Broadcom driver bug in Ubuntu 11.04:


I suggest installing bcmwl-kernel-source ( from maverick (Ubuntu 10.10) using gdebi

Solution is described here:


Then reboot your PC and run the following commands to enable your wireless adapter:

rfkill unblock all
sudo rfkill unblock all

Then retest wireless using NetworkManager.

Devin Brawner (devinbrawner) said : #4

Ok I downloaded the kernel and installed it. I'm guessing it installed correctly?...

devin@ubuntu:~$ rfkill unblock all
devin@ubuntu:~$ sudo rfkill unblock all
[sudo] password for devin:

...and it did nothing else so I'm not sure if that means it's successful or not. After that I went up to Network Manager and it still shows no option for wireless connection. Only wired. Am I supposed to restart the computer again?

Devin Brawner (devinbrawner) said : #5

Ok I restarted the computer to see if it would help and it didn't so back to square one.

Can you help with this problem?

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