Get internet connection with Puppy Linux

Asked by Randymanme

Compaq Presario 543OUS series 5000
Pentium ® 4 processor 1800 Hz
Processor speed 1800/400 Hz
Processor stepping F12
Cache size (L1/L2) 20/256 KB
RAM 256Mb; Clock 1.8 GB
Hard Drive 30 GB
16X Max* DVD-ROM; CD-RW
VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] (rev b2)
Ubuntu 9.04; Ffx 3.5.3, Ffx 3.0.14; Chromium dev

I just got off the telephone with RoadRunner technical support, and they knew nothing pertinent to my questions.

I'm to install Puppy Linux from a live CD. The part where I need to establish an internet connection is where I'm stuck. The part where it wants DNS information is a far as I've gotten. I don't know. The RoadRunner user guide doesn't mention anything that looks like DNS. And the technician I spoke with says he don't know. The technician said that that information should be available somewhere via my computer. He couldn't believe that I needed to know any of that – that I should just be able to plug in the modem cord and that's it.

I assume that because Puppy Linux only needs 100 Mb to install, there's a lot missing that other RAM-heavy systems have – like automatic internet connecting. So, anyway, can someone with RoadRunner walk me through this? Should I go to the Ubuntu forum to find out how to get DNS (and other) information from my computer? Or can someone at this forum help me with that, too?

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Rob Frerejean (hffrerejean) said :
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I think for this version of Linux, you´re on the wrong place here.

I think you should go here with your question http://www.puppylinux.org/home/overview

Rob

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Best Tom (tom6) said :
#2

Hi :)

Yes, for Puppy rather than Ubuntu the proper forums are at
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/
(i just navigated further on from Rob's link)

However, your machine has plenty of ram to run Xubuntu so i would recommend trying that
http://www.xubuntu.org/get

There are plenty of other versions of linux that might also be good. It might be worth asking for suggestions at DistroWatch in their Reader's Comments page
http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090914&mode=67#comments
Note that they start a new thread every week and their forum is meant to be about discussing the Weekly Article but general discussion about different distros is good too. I would seriously recommend Xubuntu for your machine personnally but i might be a bit biased ;)

Puppy is quite extreme. There are many mid-sized distros and many tiny ones. Puppy is one of the smallest tiny distros.

I haven't tried the latest release of Puppy but usually it can find out most of the information required to get an internet connection going fairly easily. I would try their forums, as Rob suggested
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/

Please can you give me a link to where you downloaded Puppy from and i might try to have a go at this one again tomorrow (it's quite late here)

Thanks, good luck and regards from
Tom :)

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Tom (tom6) said :
#3

Hi again :)

If you already have got ubuntu installed on your system and can get as far as the boot-menu then choose the Ubuntu option that has "recovery mode" near the end of it's line. That should get you to a menu with an option to "Drop to a root shell". When you get to the command-line try

sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
sudo reboot

The install command will install everything you need to run Xubuntu which will be quite a few packages. Next time you login to Ubuntu it should be the blue desktop of Xubuntu otherwise try logging out and then at the login window use "options" to change the session type to Xfce or Xubuntu.

Hopefully something here helps!
I'm not sure if you have Ubuntu almost working or not so it's a bit difficult to be clear.
Good luck and regards from
Tom :)

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zvacet (ivicakolic) said :
#4

Look at Puppy forums or even better contact you ISP and ask for DNS.Yes,you can install Xubuntu with that ram but Puppy will be faster.It is your choice.

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Randymanme (randall43215) said :
#5

Someone recommended PCLINUXOS as a good distribution for me to become familiar with Linux with. I don't remember why I thought that Puppy would be better for me to use just to sightsee with, but that's why I downloaded it. Here's a Puppy link:

Puppy Linux Community - Home
Free, live technical support available by just clicking on the chat icon on the Puppy Linux desktop. Download mirrors (some of which may provide faster ...
www.puppylinux.org/user/downloads.php – Cached

I Googled Xubuntu (and also read about Lubuntu and CrunchBangLinux). I'll try out Xubuntu (and probably #! also).

By the way; yes, I do have Jaunty up and running -- I just haven't been able to get around the driver issues. I guess the real problem is my lack of technical expertise. But, God willing, I'm sure I'll get there. I just need to live for another, say, 20 years.

Thank you very much for your patience and your willingness to devote biological neurons to my concerns. Kudos.

Randall

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Randymanme (randall43215) said :
#6

Thanks Tom, that solved my question.

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Tom (tom6) said :
#7

Lubuntu is very new, i don't think itbeen released apart from perhaps alpha & beta test versions. I only had a quick go with CrunchBang and that was when i was a total noob and something went wrong on my quirky older machine's hardware. Debian main is quite small but very stable and should have drivers for most things, especially their stable version although their development version is also worth considering
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=debian
It's head of the family that Ubuntu is in so i guess we should all try it someday anyway ;)

PCLinuxOS also does sound great. Someone in here tried it during the course of trying to fix some xorg.conf problem and it was the first of many distros that they had tried that did manage to produce a correct xorg.conf. So all their monitor settings were fine for a change. They said it looked nice and worked well :)
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=pclinuxos

Good luck and regards from
Tom :)

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Tom (tom6) said :
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Lol, there does sem to be a lot to know and a very different way of working in Linux and it seems so different from the Windows world that it's a bit daunting at times but it takes surprisingly little time to really get to grips with it enough to use and enjoy it.

I think the main thing to remember is that there's too much for 1 person to know everything. So, use the forums of whichever distro and also a couple of general linux forums (ie not distro specific ones)
http://www.linuxquestions.org
is a good one. Also it's good to visit DistroWatch's homepage every once in a while to stay in touch with what other distros are doing. It's not really necessary but can be useful to pick up odd snippets of info about the wider linux world :) Really i think the number 1 main thing about linux is that it's about freedom and exploration ;)

Good luck and regards from
Tom :)

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Randymanme (randall43215) said :
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Compaq Presario 543OUS series 5000
Pentium ® 4 processor 1800 Hz
Processor speed 1800/400 Hz
Processor stepping F12
Cache size (L1/L2) 20/256 KB
RAM 256Mb; Clock 1.8 Gb
Hard Drive 30 Gb
16X Max* DVD-ROM; CD-RW
VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] (rev b2)
NVIDIA Accelerated Graphics Drive (version 96)
Ubuntu 9.04; Ffx 3.5.3, Ffx 3.0.14
Xubuntu 9.04; Chromium dev

I couldn't get Xubuntu via command line, but I did select it in synaptic package manager. I'm pleasantly surprised at how much is back there (I think of synaptic package manger as "the back room," where all the inventory is at). I like it. It only took a few minutes to install those 99 packages. I did have it as my default session until I found out that it won't copy from internet to OOo or vice-versa. [I just happened to wonder if it will if I use Firefox as browser instead of Chromium? I'll see.] Xubuntu is nimbler, quicker, and I like that.

Now, I'm wondering, is Xubuntu, as it is on my computer, just sitting on top of Ubuntu -- i.e., am I running both of them at the same time when I use Xubuntu? I mean, 99 packages were installed for Xubuntu, but by Ubuntu. Can Xubuntu run by itself, without all the Ubuntu packages. I don't understand how Xubuntu can be nimbler running on top of Ubuntu. It seems like Ubuntu would respond faster by itself, or Xubuntu by itself, than the two together. I notice that I don't see Xubuntu on the boot-menu nor an extra Ubuntu either. Does Xubuntu exist only within Ubuntu? Not that I have any problem with that, just curious.

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Randymanme (randall43215) said :
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Compaq Presario 543OUS series 5000
Pentium ® 4 processor 1800 Hz
Processor speed 1800/400 Hz
Processor stepping F12
Cache size (L1/L2) 20/256 KB
RAM 256Mb; Clock 1.8 Gb
Hard Drive 30 Gb
16X Max* DVD-ROM; CD-RW
VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] (rev b2)
NVIDIA Accelerated Graphics Drive (version 96)
Ubuntu 9.04; Ffx 3.0.14
Xubuntu 9.04; Shiretoko

Okay; that problem with copying and pasting is a Chromium issue, not Xubuntu.

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Tom (tom6) said :
#11

Hi :)

Xubuntu is really just alongside Ubuntu. At each login you reject the "Option" of using an Ubuntu session and always choose the new default option Xubuntu, without even realising it :)

The packages you added to Ubuntu to make it into Xubuntu simply replace the Ubuntu equivalents. The basic *buntu operating system is identical in Xubuntu, Ubuntu and Kubuntu but what you see is the "Desktop Environment". Kubuntu uses KDE (extremely heavy), Ubuntu uses the Gnome desktop environment (heavy) and Xubuntu uses Xfce.

On your system at the moment you could try switching back to Ubuntu by using the "Options" button on the login screen (try "Switch User") and change the session type to Gnome or Ubuntu. Since your system doesn't like Ubuntu main it will then fall over just the same as it used to. So at the login screen use "Options" to change back to Xfce or Xubuntu.

While there are a lot of packages that have been added these tend to take up far less space than you might expect because of the way gnu&linux is written to share libraries/codecs/dependencies between programs that all need similar things.

Now that you do have Xubuntu running nicely you could choose to uninstall the Ubuntu packages. Just use Synaptic to uninstall "ubuntu-desktop" but once that is done i would seriously recommend trying to reinstall "xubuntu-desktop" because both Gnome and Xfce share a lot of packages in common. Also uninstalling Gnome will uninstall OpenOffice so you will need to re-install that.

Apart from the obvious desktop difference Xubuntu also uses a lighter-weight file manager. If you open any folder and use the menu at the top to look at

Help - About

then you will see that Xubuntu uses "Thunar" whereas Ubuntu uses "Nautilus". Apart from being lighter and faster it's difficult to see just how different Thunar is from Nautilus until you try different distros that also use Thunar and compare that with distros that use Nautilus by default. A lot of work has gone into making all the *buntu's the same even at the eye-candy level - not just under-the-bonnet.

If Chromium isn't quite behaving you could use Synaptic to hunt for other "web browsers" and install a few different ones to compare. Opera is quite a lot lighter than Firefox and has a ton of extra add-on functionality, like a built-in EmailClient and a BitTorrentClient but i still think it's going roughly the same direction as Firefox - eg getting quite a lot heavier as improvements are developed. Still Opera is quite a lot lighter and might well be worth a good try but i would really explore some of the more extreme web browsers. There are even a couple that work entirely on the command-line!

I hope this helps!
Good luck and regards from
Tom :)

Ps you might also like this link
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Glossary
which i just noticed today and tidied up a little

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Tom (tom6) said :
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Note that a lot of times when you uninstall or reinstall or even install something you will not need to reboot your machine. When/if you uninstall "ubuntu-desktop" i would avoid rebooting even if it does tell you to. First reinstall "xubuntu-desktop" and then reboot. Otherwise you might eed to use an Ubuntu or Xubuntu Cd as a LiveCd to contact us again to help fix it. Although all you would really need to do is choose the "recovery mode" line from the normal boot-menu, drop to a root shel (command-line) and then type

apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
reboot

Regards from
Tom :)