Asked by Robert Dinse on 2021-05-27

      As one user who is becoming very frustrated at Poettering's continuing takeover of the entire Linux operating system, I wonder if the Ubuntu folks have looked into Hummingbird?

     I really liked the initial idea behind systemd, to create an init that would start things in parallel as much as prerequisites permitted to take advantage of modern highly parallel platforms, but then resolver is added, time sync is added, session management is added, and now wants to take over home directories, no thanks, every step of the way he breaks things.

     Resolver being a case in point, while the spec for txt records does say to limit 512 bytes, bind9, the standard name server did not do so, and as a result many large sites with complex SPF records had SPF records that spanned more than 512 bytes. Systemd resolver broke these by truncating at 512 bytes causing mail delivery failures. Fix, turn off systemd-resolver, install bind9. But these
kinds of work-arounds should not be necessary.

     Besides, the original idea behind Unix / Linux was to create a toolbox where each tool did a specific job and did that job efficiently and well, and that permitted us to combine tools anyway we want. Systemd is more like a tentacle sex monster out of a bad anime film.

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actionparsnip (andrew-woodhead666) said :

Is there a question here or is this just a rant.....?

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Robert Dinse (nanook) said :

Yes, the question to put it simply is, would you consider Hummingbird as an alternate to Systemd? I've demonstrated some problems caused by systemd.

But this brings up another question, does Ubuntu care to remain responsive to it's userbase or do you wish to go the way of Redhat?

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Best actionparsnip (andrew-woodhead666) said :

Ubuntu follows Debian as it is the upstream. I'm just a user just like yourself. If Debian changes to Hummingbird or offers it, then Ubuntu will follow suit.

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Robert Dinse (nanook) said :

Ok so Ubuntu is Debian then? What is the point of a separate distro then? I related an issue it causes with e-mail. This is in my
experience only one of many but it's a rather critical one in a business environment. Mx-linux follows debian also but they give you
a choice of systemd or a traditional sys-v init system. At present I prefer Ubuntu over Mx because of Ubuntu's support for PPAs
and the fact that I've upgraded in place successfully all the way from 12.04 to 21.04, where as Mx blows up pretty much everytime.
But there has to be a way to have an OS that upgrades in place and still works. This did not "solve my problem" but I see you've eliminated every other option.

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actionparsnip (andrew-woodhead666) said :

Yes. Ubuntu is based on Debian