Very new to Linux !

Asked by Ted Bailey

Hi...I have been looking at Linux and have downloaded both Ububtu and Mandriva,made the CDs,run them and am well impressed....However ...Whilst I found my way around enough to 'get serious' with Ubuntu,on both systems I was not able to get on line with my wireless setup ...Is this because I am only using the CD and do not have Ubunti /Mandriva installed or should I be able to get on line with only the CD ?....I am hesitant to install if there will be problems...Also if I do install can I uninstall ? (I have windows XP media center edition on an Acer laptop which is partioned ).... thanks for any help please ....Ted Bailey

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Allen Chemist (alchemist) said :
#1

Hi,

First , let me say welcome :)

As for the wireless, I'm not really sure what problems you may run into without knowing which wireless card you have. I would guess if it doesn't work on the live cd, that you may have some initial problems to get it running. Next time you are in a live session (either with mandriva or ubuntu), start a terminal (on ubuntu: Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal), and type either of these options:
If it's an internal card
lspci
If it's a pcmcia card
cardctl ident
if it's a USB card
lsusb

and post back the output of the command related to your wifi card. A sample lspci of my computer's network cards (which are wired) looks like this:
02:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82562EZ 10/100 Ethernet Controller (rev 02)

========
Uninstallation:

If you were to install Ubuntu, you would 'shrink' your windows XP partition so that less free space is available to XP. To 'uninstall' ubuntu, first you will need to fix it so that you boot without using GRUB (which is what gives you the choice on your computer to switch between windows and ubuntu), then simply grow XPs partition over top of ubuntu, or create a second partition in XP (so you would have a C: and a D: drive) and it's gone.

A how-to is available here:
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p18.htm

Finally, if you have XP MCE, you may want to check out MythTV. It's available, and a out-of-the-box setup is Mythbuntu. Some reading material
http://www.mythbuntu.org/
http://www.mythtv.org/

I have been using Mythtv for about 3 years now, and it's completely changed what I expect of TV.

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Ted Bailey (eg-bailey) said :
#2

Thank you .....Unfortunatly still no connection...My wireless card is built
in,I have typed in 1spci it says not found so I tried lspci and a list
appeared but I did not understand what to do next (I'm an 'old silver
surfer'!) I have also tried entering my isp add' and searching but no
success,my wireless modem router is a TP-LINK and they say it will work
ok...Sorry to trouble you further ,but would really like to use this OS so
any further help would be good...Ted Bailey
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Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Question #17119]: Very new to Linux !

Your question #17119 on Ubuntu changed:
https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/17119

    Status: Open => Answered

Allen Chemist proposed the following answer:
Hi,

First , let me say welcome :)

As for the wireless, I'm not really sure what problems you may run into
without knowing which wireless card you have. I would guess if it doesn't
work on the live cd, that you may have some initial problems to get it
running. Next time you are in a live session (either with mandriva or
ubuntu), start a terminal (on ubuntu: Applications -> Accessories ->
Terminal), and type either of these options:
If it's an internal card
lspci
If it's a pcmcia card
cardctl ident
if it's a USB card
lsusb

and post back the output of the command related to your wifi card. A sample
lspci of my computer's network cards (which are wired) looks like this:
02:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82562EZ 10/100 Ethernet
Controller (rev 02)

========
Uninstallation:

If you were to install Ubuntu, you would 'shrink' your windows XP
partition so that less free space is available to XP. To 'uninstall'
ubuntu, first you will need to fix it so that you boot without using
GRUB (which is what gives you the choice on your computer to switch
between windows and ubuntu), then simply grow XPs partition over top of
ubuntu, or create a second partition in XP (so you would have a C: and a
D: drive) and it's gone.

A how-to is available here:
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p18.htm

Finally, if you have XP MCE, you may want to check out MythTV. It's
available, and a out-of-the-box setup is Mythbuntu. Some reading material
http://www.mythbuntu.org/
http://www.mythtv.org/

I have been using Mythtv for about 3 years now, and it's completely
changed what I expect of TV.

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Olivier (olivier-lacroix) said :
#3

Hi !

copy the result of the command lspci here. we will be able to identify your wireless card and tell you if i will work under linux or not.

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Ted Bailey (eg-bailey) said :
#4

Hi..Sorry to be late in reply ...I have done as you ask and get some 20
lines of info ie... oo:oo.o host bridge ATI tech inc rs480 and another is
oo:12.0 IDE interface ATI tech 4379 serial controller..
(.I don't no how I can copy all the details and email them in XP)

 I have confirmed that another computer is able to conect to my wireless
connection using the Ubuntu disc and I am able to connect to another
wireless network which is not secured but not a secure one ( In XP or
Ubuntu)..

My wireless connection is shown to work ok and is fine with my windows XP..I
do not even show my connection when I click on the computer icon at the top
right of the Ubuntu screen...Hope this helps ..Many thanks ..Ted Bailey

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Olivier Lacroix proposed the following answer:
Hi !

copy the result of the command lspci here. we will be able to identify
your wireless card and tell you if i will work under linux or not.

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Ted Bailey (eg-bailey) said :
#5

I am able to confirm my Ethernet card is: Realek RTL8139/8 10x and the
wireless lan card is: Broadcom 802:11g....Ted bailey
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Olivier Lacroix proposed the following answer:
Hi !

copy the result of the command lspci here. we will be able to identify
your wireless card and tell you if i will work under linux or not.

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Olivier (olivier-lacroix) said :
#6

 Good news : We can get it to work.

try to open the restricted-driver-manager : you will see that your wireless card is listed. if you can get an internet connection (ethernet is the easy way) then ubuntu will offer you to download the necessary proprietary code to make it work.

Bad news : some people reported to have poor performance with this method. There exist a harder one, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
( even if you are scared reading this page, being new to linux, it is not that hard....)

I would advise you to try the first one and see if it works well enough.

Hope that helps !

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Ted Bailey (eg-bailey) said :
#7

Many thanks.....Unfotunately ,Whilst I could 'enable' the ATI graphic
firmware ,I could not 'enable' the Broadcom internal card...However I
borrowed a usb wireless adapter which connected ok with my wireless set up
so I am able to get 'on line' ...Life is not easy with Linux is
it?!!...Thanks again for your help...Ted Bailey
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From: "Olivier" <email address hidden>
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Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Question #17119]: Very new to Linux !

Your question #17119 on Ubuntu changed:
https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/17119

    Status: Open => Answered

Olivier proposed the following answer:
 Good news : We can get it to work.

try to open the restricted-driver-manager : you will see that your
wireless card is listed. if you can get an internet connection (ethernet
is the easy way) then ubuntu will offer you to download the necessary
proprietary code to make it work.

Bad news : some people reported to have poor performance with this method.
There exist a harder one, see
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
( even if you are scared reading this page, being new to linux, it is not
that hard....)

I would advise you to try the first one and see if it works well enough.

Hope that helps !

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Olivier (olivier-lacroix) said :
#8

Hi Ted,

now that your are online,

copy the result of the command "lspci" here. we will be able to identify
 your wireless card and tell you how to make it work.

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Ted Bailey (eg-bailey) said :
#9

Hi ....I am on line ok with ethernet and /or seperate wireless ad' but
having a problem getting email to work ...I will continue to try otherwise I
cannot send info you want as cannot see how I can find the info in Ubuntu
and sent it in Windows....I will be in touch soon (I hope !)..Thanks again
for your help....Ted----- Original Message -----
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Your question #17119 on Ubuntu changed:
https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/17119

    Status: Open => Needs information

Olivier requested for more information:
Hi Ted,

now that your are online,

copy the result of the command "lspci" here. we will be able to identify
 your wireless card and tell you how to make it work.

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Ted Bailey (eg-bailey) said :
#10

Hi ...Managed to configure Ubuntu email ok....When I first checked the
results of 'lspci'I had a list of around 20 items now, on or off line I get
a box with 2 options to 'enable',one is for the' ATI acelerated graphics
driver' which I can enable ,the other is 'Broadcom 43xx chipset
family'which I can't..When I tick the box to enable it just goes back to
original option to enable...The info on the Broadcom is 'BCM4318(Airforce
one54g)'.I am still able to go on line with the seperate ad'.and wonder if
this is what I shall have to do...I can buy an ad' for around £8/10...Many
thanks for any more help you may have...Ted Bailey
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https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/17119

    Status: Open => Needs information

Olivier requested for more information:
Hi Ted,

now that your are online,

copy the result of the command "lspci" here. we will be able to identify
 your wireless card and tell you how to make it work.

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Olivier (olivier-lacroix) said :
#11

We will get it to work. Don't worry

Ok. so, from what I have seen ,you need to enable an other repository (ie a place where ubuntu downloads its upgrades)

DO as advised here : http://liaudetgael.free.fr/spip.php?article12

it's in french. basically, enable the backports repositories in the update tab of synaptic preference dialog, then hit the update button of synaptic, and then try to use the restricted-driver manager.

tell me if you have any error

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Ted Bailey (eg-bailey) said :
#12

Hi...I do not know French but acording to the screen shots when I select
'resticted driver manager' I get screen shot 5 showing 2 items to 'enable'
the 2nd being the Broadcom card and screen 6
 is where it fails to enable and reverts to screen 5....

To sum up first I am still working from the disc to see if I want to go on
with
the installation...Apart from this hicup with the wireless card I like
Ubuntu Linux...So I think I will install and use the borrowed card ,( or buy
my own !) and persue the Broadcom problem after the installation
...Lastly,is it ok to continue to use a seperate usb card when I have
installed? ..

Again thanks for all the help....Ted Bailey---- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Question #17119]: Very new to Linux !

Your question #17119 on Ubuntu changed:
https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/17119

    Status: Open => Answered

Olivier proposed the following answer:
We will get it to work. Don't worry

Ok. so, from what I have seen ,you need to enable an other repository
(ie a place where ubuntu downloads its upgrades)

DO as advised here : http://liaudetgael.free.fr/spip.php?article12

it's in french. basically, enable the backports repositories in the
update tab of synaptic preference dialog, then hit the update button of
synaptic, and then try to use the restricted-driver manager.

tell me if you have any error

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Ted Bailey (eg-bailey) said :
#13

Sorry !! I forgot to ask ...My laptop is partioned C & D equally (50 GB
each ) with Windows XP on drive C and my data/ photographs etc on drive D
...Both drives are backed up and I have recovery discs for Windows ...Both
drives have around 35/40 GB free spce available...
I would like to install Ubuntu on the D drive... I would feel safer, that in
the event of any problems Windows will be sperate which I could recover
using the recovery discs and for Ubuntu I could reformat the D drive and
reinstall along with by data...Do you think this will be ok ?? ....Ted
Bailey
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Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Question #17119]: Very new to Linux !

Your question #17119 on Ubuntu changed:
https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/17119

    Status: Open => Answered

Olivier proposed the following answer:
We will get it to work. Don't worry

Ok. so, from what I have seen ,you need to enable an other repository
(ie a place where ubuntu downloads its upgrades)

DO as advised here : http://liaudetgael.free.fr/spip.php?article12

it's in french. basically, enable the backports repositories in the
update tab of synaptic preference dialog, then hit the update button of
synaptic, and then try to use the restricted-driver manager.

tell me if you have any error

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Olivier (olivier-lacroix) said :
#14

Hi ted !

I forgot you were only using the LiveCD. I am sure you will be able to make it work once installed on your drive.

You can definitely install windows and ubuntu side by side. When ask about which disk to use during the install process, choose manual partitioning.

The best is to create 3 partitions for linux : one with the system, one for your personal data, and one for swap (virtual memory)
I would advise you to use 10GB for the system (mount point " / " , type "ext3"), 1GB of swap, and the rest for the data (mount point "/home" , type "ext3")

choose to mount your windows partition in, for instance, "/media/Windows", and be careful to not reformat it.

you will be able to mount the data partition in windows using ext2fsd.

If you want to be sure to not screw everything up, post a screenshot when you think you are done

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Ted Bailey (eg-bailey) said :
#15

Hi again!....Thanks for info .....It's got to be me! ( lack of expertise!)
but am I right ?..
.
What I plan is to leave Windows on the C drive with all it came with
preinstalled from Acer...

I reformat the D Drive, I then have a clean D Drive ( all my stuff backed
up ). I would then install Ubuntu on the D drive ...completly seperate..It
is there that I will make the partions you suggest ...

That way I will feel more confident should anything go wrong I still have
Windows in it's original place...
Shound I wish I could then at any time recover Windows with my recovery
discs and do the same with Ubuntu by reformating the D driveand re
installing from the Ubuntu disc ..

.
I am sorry to continue to ask for help,for what I am sure is a relitively
simple installtion, but age takes it's toll in understanding what I am
trying to do!!...( I'm sure you know what you are doing !!)
Thank you again ..I am sure I would not get this level of support from Mr
Gates !!...Ted .----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Question #17119]: Very new to Linux !

Your question #17119 on Ubuntu changed:
https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/17119

    Status: Open => Answered

Olivier proposed the following answer:
Hi ted !

I forgot you were only using the LiveCD. I am sure you will be able to
make it work once installed on your drive.

You can definitely install windows and ubuntu side by side. When ask
about which disk to use during the install process, choose manual
partitioning.

The best is to create 3 partitions for linux : one with the system, one for
your personal data, and one for swap (virtual memory)
I would advise you to use 10GB for the system (mount point " / " , type
"ext3"), 1GB of swap, and the rest for the data (mount point "/home" , type
"ext3")

choose to mount your windows partition in, for instance,
"/media/Windows", and be careful to not reformat it.

you will be able to mount the data partition in windows using ext2fsd.

If you want to be sure to not screw everything up, post a screenshot
when you think you are done

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Best Olivier (olivier-lacroix) said :
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Yes, you are right : ubuntu will be able to format your "D" drive, and then make the partitions in the resulting free space.

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Ted Bailey (eg-bailey) said :
#17

Thank you very much ....Your help is very much appreciated......Ted Bailey
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Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:47 PM
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Olivier proposed the following answer:
Yes, you are right : ubuntu will be able to format your "D" drive, and
then make the partitions in the resulting free space.

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Ted Bailey (eg-bailey) said :
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Thank you very much....Ted Bailey