differences between upgrade and fresh installation

Asked by GophrenOli

Hi,

I made some weeks ago a fresh installation with xubuntu 9.10 on one partition.
On a second partion I installed 8.04 und upgraded to 9.10. So far so good, I had no crashes etc., but some differences between the installed packages, e.g. kernel-generic-pae (fresh installation) contra kernel-generic (upgrade-path).

So I tried a research on "should I upgrade or make a fresh installation". I found 1000 statements (ok, that's not true), and a result of about 50:50 between "install!" and "upgrade!".

Therefore I give you two files just for examination. The "upgrade-path" has been de-orphaned, and there are some manuall installation on the other "fresh installed" side, but nevertheless the question remains: why are there a bunch of packages on the upgrade path, that are not part of the fresh installation?

Of course you can produce such lists on your own, but I am just a bit confused: You do not need to explain me, please just make sure that both installation ways as described lead to the same versions on one hard-disc (well, that's what I would expect at least).

ProblemType: Bug
AlsaVersion: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.21.
Architecture: i386
AudioDevicesInUse:
 USER PID ACCESS COMMAND
 /dev/snd/controlC0: wilhem 16414 F.... pulseaudio
 /dev/snd/controlC1: wilhem 16414 F.... pulseaudio
CRDA: Error: [Errno 2] No such file or directory
Card0.Amixer.info:
 Card hw:0 'SB'/'HDA ATI SB at 0xfe024000 irq 16'
   Mixer name : 'Realtek ALC889A'
   Components : 'HDA:10ec0885,1458a002,00100101'
   Controls : 40
   Simple ctrls : 22
Card1.Amixer.info:
 Card hw:1 'U0x4710x308'/'USB Device 0x471:0x308 at usb-0000:00:12.0-1, full speed'
   Mixer name : 'USB Mixer'
   Components : 'USB0471:0308'
   Controls : 2
   Simple ctrls : 1
Card1.Amixer.values:
 Simple mixer control 'Mic',0
   Capabilities: cvolume cvolume-joined cswitch cswitch-joined penum
   Capture channels: Mono
   Limits: Capture 0 - 3
   Mono: Capture 0 [0%] [26.00dB] [on]
Card2.Amixer.info:
 Card hw:2 'HDMI'/'HDA ATI HDMI at 0xfdffc000 irq 19'
   Mixer name : 'ATI RS690/780 HDMI'
   Components : 'HDA:1002791a,00791a00,00100000'
   Controls : 4
   Simple ctrls : 1
Card2.Amixer.values:
 Simple mixer control 'IEC958',0
   Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined penum
   Playback channels: Mono
   Mono: Playback [off]
Date: Tue Mar 9 00:30:21 2010
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04
HibernationDevice: RESUME=UUID=3d029a8d-853f-4439-bde6-664d28ab08c6
InstallationMedia: Xubuntu 10.04 "Lucid Lynx" - Alpha i386 (20100224.1)
IwConfig:
 lo no wireless extensions.

 eth0 no wireless extensions.
MachineType: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. GA-MA78G-DS3H
Package: linux-image-2.6.32-16-generic-pae 2.6.32-16.24
ProcCmdLine: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-16-generic-pae root=/dev/sda6
ProcEnviron:
 LANG=de_DE.utf8
 SHELL=/bin/bash
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-16.24-generic-pae
Regression: No
RelatedPackageVersions: linux-firmware 1.32
Reproducible: Yes
RfKill:

SourcePackage: linux
TestedUpstream: Yes
Uname: Linux 2.6.32-16-generic-pae i686
dmi.bios.date: 06/23/2009
dmi.bios.vendor: Award Software International, Inc.
dmi.bios.version: FC
dmi.board.name: GA-MA78G-DS3H
dmi.board.vendor: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
dmi.board.version: x.x
dmi.chassis.type: 3
dmi.chassis.vendor: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
dmi.modalias: dmi:bvnAwardSoftwareInternational,Inc.:bvrFC:bd06/23/2009:svnGigabyteTechnologyCo.,Ltd.:pnGA-MA78G-DS3H:pvr:rvnGigabyteTechnologyCo.,Ltd.:rnGA-MA78G-DS3H:rvrx.x:cvnGigabyteTechnologyCo.,Ltd.:ct3:cvr:
dmi.product.name: GA-MA78G-DS3H
dmi.sys.vendor: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.

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GophrenOli (gophrenoli) said :
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GophrenOli (gophrenoli) said :
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file 1: fresh installation (and manually added packages)

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GophrenOli (gophrenoli) said :
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(here it is)

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GophrenOli (gophrenoli) said :
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file 2: upgrade path from 8.04(!)

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Charlie Kravetz (cjkgeek) said :
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Thank you for taking the time to report this issue and helping to make Ubuntu better. Examining the information you have given us, this does not appear to be a bug report so we are closing it and converting it to a question in the support tracker. We appreciate the difficulties you are facing, but it would make more sense to raise problems you are having in the support tracker at https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu if you are uncertain if they are bugs. For help on reporting bugs, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs .

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Best actionparsnip (andrew-woodhead666) said :
#6

A clean install will give only the packags from the install and is much cleaner, an upgrade looks at the current packages and installs those but for the new release and updates your sources file to reflect the upgrade. The old config files from one release may not work in the new and can cause issues, some folks report flawless upgrades, some report lots of issues which are solved with a clean install of the desired release.

You will also have the kernels from the previous release which are not removed, these will need to be manually removed to save space and to tidy up grub/lilo etc.

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GophrenOli (gophrenoli) said :
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Thanks actionparsnip, that solved my question.