Installation of OpenShot
Hello,
I am interested in installing OpenShot on my system. I just recently learned about it after having not so spectacular results using video editors in Linux. I have tried Kino, Kdenlive, Open Video Editor, etc and I had trouble getting these to work. The only one I got to work was Cinelerra, however, it does have a tough learning curve attached to it. So when I heard about OpenShot and the success initial users have been having I decided to give it a shot. However, I am faced with a problem right off the bat in terms of instructions for installing OpenShot.
I have Ubuntu Hardy 8.04 and for the most part I use the Synaptic Package Manager or Add/Remove to install programs.
I have installed .deb files before, but they usually were self installing. When I try to install OpenShot, I get an error stating I need a dependency. I have downloaded the dependency from your site, but I don't know what to do with them.
I am a bit surprised that there isn't a tab on your website explaining how to install the program. At any rate, I would appreciate any assistance in getting the program installed and operational on my system so I can try it out.
Thank You,
Geo
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Thanks for the question Geo! Before you can install the main "openshot.deb", you need to install the dependencies (as you know). The dependencies for Ubuntu 8.04 are in the form of a "tar.gz" file, which is an archive (also available on the download page). Before you can install the dependency .DEB files you need to extract them from the archive.
Right click on the "tar.gz" file, and choose the "Extract Here" option. It should create a folder with 4 .DEB files in it. Just double click on each .DEB file and install them. Once all 4 dependencies are installed, return to the "openshot.deb" file, and double click it and install it.
Eventually, OpenShot will be in a PPA, and you will be able to use Synaptic to install it, but we're not quite there yet. =)
Good luck!
-Jonathan
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Hello Jonathan,----- Original Message -----From: Jonathan Thomas Date: Friday, August 28, 2009 12:16 amSubject: Re: [Question #81182]: Installation of OpenShotTo: <email address hidden>> Your question #81182 on OpenShot Video Editor changed:> https:/
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You might try the following commands to determine what is wrong:
1) $ ffmpeg -i
(This should output the version of ffmpeg installed... or an error if it's not installed correctly)
2) $ melt -query "producers"
(This should contain "avformat" in the output... if it's installed correctly)
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Hello Jonathan,I ran those two commands in my terminal and this is what I came up with:geo@home:~$ ffmpeg -1FFmpeg version git-8172b3f, Copyright (c) 2000-2009 Fabrice Bellard, et al. configuration: --enable-gpl --enable-nonfree --enable-shared --enable-pthreads --enable-libx264 --enable-libfaac --enable-libtheora libavutil 50. 3. 0 / 50. 3. 0 libavcodec 52.32. 0 / 52.32. 0 libavformat 52.36. 0 / 52.36. 0 libavdevice 52. 2. 0 / 52. 2. 0 libswscale 0. 7. 1 / 0. 7. 1 built on Jul 22 2009 19:08:01, gcc: 4.2.4 (Ubuntu 4.2.4-1ubuntu4)
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Ok, everything seems to be installed correctly. Now the question is... why isn't OpenShot working. =) Please run OpenShot from the terminal, and copy / paste the output to this bug report.
For example:
$ openshot
(debug output and errors should be displayed in the terminal)
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Hello Jonathan,I did as you asked below and this is what I got in my terminal:
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Ok, I have a new theory. The output "Killed" is because Linux is killing the OpenShot process due to memory usuage (this theory is based on a bit of research I did tonight). Take a look at your System Monitor and see if the memory (or CPU) are running low on resources. I think Linux will protect itself if a process is taking all of the available memory, and kill the process. Thanks.
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Hello Jonathan,I am at my computer at work right now so I will not be at my Linux machine until tonight. However, when you mentioned running out of resources I figured I would share something with you about a problem I been recently having with Ubuntu.When I play a video in YouTube, most of them will run fine. However, those with higher quality content usually will cause a hanging...in fact very similar to the hanging I have with OpenShot. The main difference is that YouTube doesn't crash, it just 'stops'. If I move the progress pointer for the video, the video will resume playing for a few seconds and then halt again.Now if this has something to with lack of on board memory, that can't be the case. I have 2gig of ram on my machine and I don't have this problem when running Windows (on the same machine of course).So I am going to assume some kind of setting in Ubuntu is off, correct? I don't know if this will be of any help, but I figured I would pass the info along to you and then tonight we can address the situation and hopefully rectify it.Thank You,Geo----- Original Message -----From: Jonathan Thomas Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009 11:15 pmSubject: Re: [Question #81182]: Installation of OpenShotTo: <email address hidden>> Your question #81182 on OpenShot Video Editor changed:> https:/
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Hello Jonathan,I am back home now. I opened up the system monitor and the CPU does max out at 100% when I start OpenShot and then it goes back down as soon as OpenShot hangs.Now is this reflective of my CPU speed? I find it hard to believe I am running out of CPU power. I have a P4 2.8ghz machine with 2 gig RAM memory and two SATA 500gig hard drives.Overall the machine should be plenty fast enough.Do I have to set something within Ubuntu to make better use of resources?
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Your system specs should be fine to run OpenShot. To be honest, I've exhausted my bag of tricks. =) I'm not sure what to try next. I guess I would recommend waiting for our PPA to be completed, which might fix the issue. If that doesn't fix it, you might have to do some serious digging to figure out what is going on. If you figure out anything, please keep us updated. Thanks!
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Hello Jonathan<< To be honest, I've> exhausted my bag of tricks. =) I'm not sure what to try next.>>Really? I thought we were just getting warmed up!<<> I guess> I would recommend waiting for our PPA to be completed, which > might fix> the issue.>>What's a PPA? When will that be ready?<< If that doesn't fix it, you might have to do some serious> digging to figure out what is going on. If you figure out anything,> please keep us updated. Thanks!>>Ohhhh, I am not too sure about that. I am still a beginner when it comes to getting into the fine details of Linux.However, would you know of an area or file that handles the video memory management? Perhaps that is a place to start. I kinda figured that my system was powerful enough because I have set up Linux on other machines that were quite inferior to the one I am running now.I will say that of late (since Ubuntu Hardy), Ubuntu has been pretty 'buggy' lately. But you wrote OpenShot FOR Ubuntu, which is why I was attracted to it.At any rate, I DO need to get some kind of video editor working on my machine because I have to put together a video presentation and I sure hate to run out and 'buy' a Windows program. I know Windows has the Movie Maker, but the problem with that is the horrible sound editing...you can't mix from two audio files!! So I never bothered to learn WMM. So I would appreciate it if we could get down to solving the issue.Thank You,Geo> > -- > If this answers your question, please go to the following page > to let us> know that it is solved:> https:/
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Hello Jonathan,I don't know if you found anything out yet, but I would like to know what "resources" is OpenShot using. Does it rely on ram? Does it rely on the swap memory (partitioned space)?I am pretty much a beginner/novice when it comes to Ubuntu and Linux in general.I left a message in the Ubuntu forum to see if someone could assist with adjusting system resources. We will see what happens.Geo----- Original Message -----From: Jonathan Thomas Date: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:51 pmSubject: Re: [Question #81182]: Installation of OpenShotTo: <email address hidden>> Your question #81182 on OpenShot Video Editor changed:> https:/
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Hello Jonathan,Tonight it worked for me!I don't know what happened, but as I was looking into the problem I started up OpenShot to track the consumption of the resources and for some reason, I was able to get in and work with the program!!! However, while working with it, the system resources are near a dangerous 85%. So I still want to improve this.While I have OpenShot running I have a few questions for you.1) Audio Editing: This is my biggest complaint with Windows Movie Maker. I have no way to balance the audio from one source to another. I can see that OpenShot also has this issue. I think it would be cool to have some kind of adjustable mix feature.2) Video Editing: Is there a way to 'crossfade' from one video to the next? If I overlap tracks, I can hear the audio tracks mixing, but the video doesn't 'blend'.3) I am assuming there will be effects in the future since there is a tab for it, but nothing resides under the tab.4) When editing, the audio has a tendency to go out of sync with the video. I can get it to go back in sync, but it is annoying when the audio goes out of line when editing.Other than those minor issues, it looks like the program does have potential. For the most part, when I got it to work it DID work! The interface is pretty intuitive and easy to figure out.As it stands right now, I might be able to use the editor for basic functions, but I will quickly want some of the more advanced features I mentioned above. Thank You,Geo----- Original Message -----From: Jonathan Thomas Date: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:51 pmSubject: Re: [Question #81182]: Installation of OpenShotTo: <email address hidden>> Your question #81182 on OpenShot Video Editor changed:> https:/
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Glad to hear it's working! OpenShot can easily mix many audio tracks and can cross fade between video clips.
I would recommend reading the following 2 articles:
http://
http://
Screencast of OpenShot:
http://
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Hello Johnathon<<> Glad to hear it's working! >>Well, I am not celebrating as of yet, as last night's success could have only been temporary. I still need to find a way to expand the resources available to Ubuntu so I DON'T run out.It did occur to me that I did have Firefox open to answer my email to you when testing things out. Last night I wasn't in Firefox. So I am now thinking that last night's success was due to the fact that I didn't have Firefox running, and thus some resources were saved and I was able to run OpenShot.<< OpenShot can easily mix many audio tracks> and can cross fade between video clips.>>Ok, I would need to know how. I was looking for some kind of volume mixer in which you can control the volume. Let's say I want to have music playing low in the background. I want the music to be noticed but not to drown out the main sound in the video clips. That is what I am looking for. I was looking through the menus but didn't find anything.> <<> I would recommend reading the following 2 articles:> http://
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Hello Jonathan,As they say a picture is worth a 1000 words and a video is worth 1000 pictures. I was setting up the transitions wrong and not getting the desired effect. However, the transitions are just that. What I was getting at is if the program can do a VIDEO crossfade. In other words fade one source out while the other fades in...just like you would do with audio.As for the audio mixing with volume control capability, I didn't know about right clicking on the audio clip. I was searching for these features via the main menu. But OK, it looks like you have it covered.I will be playing around with it tonight using this new found info and see if I can put something together.At least the good news thus far is that I got further in the shortest amount of time with this program than any other on Linux. Granted Cinelerra is WAY more powerful than anything out there, and I do like that program, but certain functions which should be seemingly simple to put together, really isn't simple. I just wanted something simple for now to piece together video blocks to make my own music videos and video presentations. But up to now unless you have KDE to use Kdenlive...there really wasn't much for Ubuntu (under Gnome).Anyway I will report back this evening when I can try it out. I don't have a Linux system yet at work.But this will be a BIG jump for me in regards to adding video editing to Linux. I just want to get to the point where the only thing I will need Windows for are games. All my video and audio editing I want to do with Ubuntu Studio. Geo----- Original Message -----From: Jonathan Thomas Date: Thursday, September 3, 2009 1:40 amSubject: Re: [Question #81182]: Update: Got it started to night?!?!?!To: <email address hidden>> Your question #81182 on OpenShot Video Editor changed:> https:/
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Hello JonathanI have another question to ask you. Have you ran OpenShot on other versions of Ubuntu and other Linux distributions? Namely Xubuntu?I am also an avid user of Puppy Linux (it is a very compact and fast version of Linux, but not all Linux programs will run on it).If you can let me know what distributions you tried the program on successfully that would be good.My main intention is to set up and edit using the main computer I have now with Ubuntu Studio (Hardy), but for presentations, I am going to use a different machine which will be hooked up to a video projector. It is very important to me that I DON'T have the system resource problem on that machine. Xubuntu supposedly uses less resources than regular Ubuntu so I am thinking about that as a viable option. All I need that machine to do is run a program called VLC:http://
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If you right click on a clip (on the timeline), choose "Clip Properties".
On the "Audio" tab, you can lower the volume of the background music. If
you only want to lower the volume in a few key places, you can use the razor
tool and cut the background clip into a few smaller pieces. Then you can
set "volume" on each smaller clip.
Hope this helps!
Thanks,
-Jonathan
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 11:24 AM, jukingeo <
<email address hidden>> wrote:
> Question #81182 on OpenShot Video Editor changed:
> https:/
>
> Status: Answered => Open
>
> jukingeo is still having a problem:
> Hello Johnathon<<> Glad to hear it's working! >>Well, I am not
> celebrating as of yet, as last night's success could have only been
> temporary. I still need to find a way to expand the resources available
> to Ubuntu so I DON'T run out.It did occur to me that I did have Firefox
> open to answer my email to you when testing things out. Last night I
> wasn't in Firefox. So I am now thinking that last night's success was
> due to the fact that I didn't have Firefox running, and thus some
> resources were saved and I was able to run OpenShot.<< OpenShot can
> easily mix many audio tracks> and can cross fade between video
> clips.>>Ok, I would need to know how. I was looking for some kind of
> volume mixer in which you can control the volume. Let's say I want to
> have music playing low in the background. I want the music to be
> noticed but not to drown out the main sound in the video clips. That
> is what I am looking for. I was looking through the menus but didn't
> find anything.> <<> I would recommend reading the following 2 articles:>
> http://
> transitions.
> with-openshot.
> http://
> go to the following page > to let us> know that it is solved:>
>
> https:/
> >
> > If you still need help, you can reply to this email or go to the>
> following page to enter your feedback:>
> https:/
> this question notification because you are a direct> subscriber of the
> question.>
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> You received this question notification because you are an answer
> contact for OpenShot Video Editor.
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Personally, I have only tried OpenShot on various versions of Ubuntu. I have
been told that it works fine in Debian and LinuxMint also. In other words,
if it's a Debian based distro, it will probably work. Best of luck!
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 12:15 PM, jukingeo <
<email address hidden>> wrote:
> Question #81182 on OpenShot Video Editor changed:
> https:/
>
> jukingeo gave more information on the question:
> Hello JonathanI have another question to ask you. Have you ran OpenShot
> on other versions of Ubuntu and other Linux distributions? Namely
> Xubuntu?I am also an avid user of Puppy Linux (it is a very compact and
> fast version of Linux, but not all Linux programs will run on it).If you
> can let me know what distributions you tried the program on successfully
> that would be good.My main intention is to set up and edit using the
> main computer I have now with Ubuntu Studio (Hardy), but for
> presentations, I am going to use a different machine which will be
> hooked up to a video projector. It is very important to me that I DON'T
> have the system resource problem on that machine. Xubuntu supposedly
> uses less resources than regular Ubuntu so I am thinking about that as a
> viable option. All I need that machine to do is run a program called
> VLC:http://
> me to put all my edited video together in a runnable video
> presentation. The goal is to have the "show" run on it's own without
> intervention. The PC will do all the work.Geo
>
> --
> You received this question notification because you are an answer
> contact for OpenShot Video Editor.
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Hello Jonathan> <<> Jonathan Thomas proposed the following answer:> If you right click on a clip (on the timeline), choose "Clip > Properties".On the "Audio" tab, you can lower the volume of the > background music. If> you only want to lower the volume in a few key places, you can > use the razor> tool and cut the background clip into a few smaller pieces. > Then you can> set "volume" on each smaller clip.> > Hope this helps!>>Yes, it does. It isn't the "mixer" I was looking for, but as long as I can balance out the volumes of each track independently, then I am good.I was playing around with OpenShot tonight and the transition you have labeled "Disolve" IS the video crossfade. The video was helpful that you directed me to and with that info I was able to create cool looking crossfades. One thing though, that video doesn't have sound. It would be cool to both see AND hear the walkthrough on the program's usage.I have not messed with the titles yet and I will do that next, but I ran into another problem. I tried to save my work via an export file, however, when I click on the "Export" file button (after I named everything, of course), I am 'kicked' out of the program. In other words OpenShot closes and I loose everything. Any idea as to what is causing that?Thanx,Geo> > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 11:24 AM, jukingeo <> <email address hidden>> wrote:> > > Question #81182 on OpenShot Video Editor changed:> > https:/
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Hello Jonathan, I did a bit more digging tonight in regards to the CPU usage problem. I found out about a command called "top" that you use in the terminal and it reports all the system data back to you. It reports the usage listing the system 'hogs' first and then each operation that uses the next most cpu usage next, and so on, and so on.I posted my findings in the Ubuntu forum and hopefully someone can assist me there as well. Here is my post:Hello all,
I am having trouble with a video editing program I am trying to learn called OpenShot.
At first when I loaded the program on my system, it wouldn't run, it
would just lock up the system and I would have to "Force Quit". I was
told to check my system resources by using the "top" command in my
terminal. Sure enough when I activated OpenShot it used the most
resources.
good deal of resources. Closing that out and ONLY running OpenShot
allowed the program to run, however, the program is running very high
on the resources (65% to 85%). That is cutting it close.
Anyway, I tried to export one of my finished pieces of work and once
again the program gave me trouble, this time the program just kicked me
out right to the desktop. Once again I tried the "top" command and it
was sitting right on 100% when I executed the export function.
Now this has me perplexed. I am NOT running anything extra on my
system, so I am figuring that some adjustments have to be made in order
to optimize the CPU usage.
I don't consider my machine slow, but it sure isn't the fastest machine
out there, but up until recently (with this program) I have not had
many problems...this is the first time I am having one with CPU usage.
At any rate this is my system info:
Dell Dimension 4600
Intel P4 2.8ghz processor
2gig Ram
2 Seagate Sata 500gig hard drives
ATI Radeon 9600XT video card with 256meg ram
OS, multi boot with Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy)
Program causing 100% usage: OpenShot
M-Audio Delta 44 audio card (Linux compatible)
When running the System Monitor, memory usage seems to be good and
there is plenty of ram and plenty of space on the swap file. It is just
that I need to get this one program running as I want to use it for
video editing. I do not know what is causing the problem.
Here is my terminal using the 'top' command. I have to show the usage
of Firefox because I am composing this message while running the
terminal:
Swap: 4305380k total, 0k used, 4305380k free, 467824k cached
PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
5456 root 20 0 556m 20m 8180 S 3.0 1.0 7:14.60 Xorg
32400 geo 20 0 195m 61m 24m S 1.7 3.1 1:47.25 firefox
6037 geo 20 0 41164 22m 13m S 1.0 1.1 0:14.45 gnome-panel
15 root 10 -10 0 0 0 S 0.3 0.0 0:00.47 desched/0
933 geo 20 0 2308 1128 852 R 0.3 0.1 0:00.01 top
5924 geo 20 0 53772 22m 8748 S 0.3 1.1 0:02.54 gnome-settings-
6031 geo 20 0 21916 12m 7792 S 0.3 0.6 0:11.13 metacity
6038 geo 20 0 86608 40m 15m S 0.3 2.0 0:29.09 nautilus
32361 geo 20 0 77028 19m 10m S 0.3 1.0 0:00.62 gnome-terminal
1 root 20 0 2844 1688 544 S 0.0 0.1 0:01.30 init
2 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kthreadd
3 root RT -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/0
4 root RT -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 posix_cpu_timer
5 root -51 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 sirq-high/0
6 root -51 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:22.14 sirq-timer/0
7 root -51 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 sirq-net-tx/0
8 root -51 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:05.15 sirq-net-rx/0
geo@home:~$
Firefox is only using 1.7 (but it does spike higher).
Now this is my "top" command using the OpenShot video editor. OpenShot is a Python based program:
wap: 4305380k total, 0k used, 4305380k free, 469264k cached
PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
3806 geo 20 0 138m 52m 16m S 47.2 2.6 0:05.67 python
5456 root 20 0 557m 22m 9588 S 8.6 1.1 7:19.35 Xorg
6030 geo 20 0 16388 2704 1744 S 1.0 0.1 0:22.70 gnome-screensav
6031 geo 20 0 21916 12m 7792 S 1.0 0.6 0:11.40 metacity
6037 geo 20 0 41164 22m 13m S 1.0 1.1 0:14.88 gnome-panel
6 root -51 -5 0 0 0 S 0.3 0.0 0:22.46 sirq-timer/0
16 root -2 -5 0 0 0 S 0.3 0.0 0:00.41 events/0
3150 root -51 -5 0 0 0 S 0.3 0.0 0:06.45 IRQ-22
5924 geo 20 0 53772 22m 8748 S 0.3 1.1 0:02.58 gnome-settings-
7416 geo 20 0 26016 12m 7200 S 0.3 0.6 0:01.12 notification-da
32361 geo 20 0 77424 20m 11m S 0.3 1.0 0:01.24 gnome-terminal
1 root 20 0 2844 1688 544 S 0.0 0.1 0:01.30 init
2 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kthreadd
3 root RT -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/0
4 root RT -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 posix_cpu_timer
5 root -51 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 sirq-high/0
7 root -51 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 sirq-net-tx/0
geo@home:~$
You see that? It went to 47.2 CPU usage. Now I am going to run the export command:
Swap: 4305380k total, 91892k used, 4213488k free, 102944k cached
PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
7509 geo 20 0 142m 56m 15m S 93.4 2.8 0:49.78 python
5456 root 20 0 556m 20m 7044 S 1.0 1.0 7:24.39 Xorg
6038 geo 20 0 86608 38m 13m S 1.0 1.9 0:29.61 nautilus
6037 geo 20 0 41164 21m 12m S 0.7 1.1 0:16.08 gnome-panel
6 root -51 -5 0 0 0 S 0.3 0.0 0:23.06 sirq-timer/0
793 root -51 -5 0 0 0 S 0.3 0.0 0:00.24 IRQ-1
5065 root 20 0 4064 1144 916 S 0.3 0.1 0:09.54 atieventsd
6105 geo 20 0 2308 1140 856 R 0.3 0.1 0:00.35 top
32361 geo 20 0 77748 20m 11m S 0.3 1.0 0:01.82 gnome-terminal
1 root 20 0 2844 1652 508 S 0.0 0.1 0:01.30 init
2 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kthreadd
3 root RT -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/0
4 root RT -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 posix_cpu_timer
5 root -51 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 sirq-high/0
7 root -51 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 sirq-net-tx/0
8 root -51 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:05.15 sirq-net-rx/0
9 root -51 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:02.81 sirq-block/0
Boom! There you have it 100% CPU usage.
Now I would like to know if there is a way to adjust this within Ubuntu
so it makes proper use of the CPU. As you can see the rest of the
processes I am running are nil. I find it hard to believe that this
program could be sucking up THAT much power. I use Windows XP on the
same system (dual boot) and I have run FAR more memory/CPU intense
programs on that OS.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thank You,
GeoThat was my post in the Ubuntu forums.Now for some questions:When I start up any program it DOES cause a spike in the CPU usage, but then it settles down when idle. The spikes in Firefox do get pretty large, but they are nothing in comparison to OpenShot. The spikes reach 65% to 85% and I am not running anything else. The last "top" command above shows 93.4 CPU usage when I execute the Export command to create a video file. However, this doesn't spike...it STAYS there. All the while when doing system reports using the system monitor, it seems very little is used in terms of memory and swap space.Could there be something in OpenShot that is hogging up all the CPU resources?While I made some headway as to the cause of the problems, I don't have a solution. I am NOT a Linux expert and I don't know if there is a way to manage the CPU usage. I am hoping there is because I am really not in the market to get a new machine. But according to yourself, you DID mention it to me that the program should run on my machine given the system specs I forwarded to you. Thus if that is the case then something is wrong, or something is set wrong.Any ideas?Thanx,Geo
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This could also be an issue with one of our dependencies (such as MLT). In
fact, I'm leaning more and more this direction. Possibly a runaway thread
or something. We are working with the MLT team on another issue that is
similar to this. I would advise you to keep an eye on the OpenShot project
website, and watch for an update about performance improvements.
Thanks,
-Jonathan
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 11:57 PM, jukingeo <
<email address hidden>> wrote:
> Question #81182 on OpenShot Video Editor changed:
> https:/
>
> jukingeo gave more information on the question:
> Hello Jonathan, I did a bit more digging tonight in regards to the CPU
> usage problem. I found out about a command called "top" that you use in
> the terminal and it reports all the system data back to you. It reports
> the usage listing the system 'hogs' first and then each operation that
> uses the next most cpu usage next, and so on, and so on.I posted my
> findings in the Ubuntu forum and hopefully someone can assist me there
> as well. Here is my post:Hello all,
>
> I am having trouble with a video editing program I am trying to learn
> called OpenShot.
>
> At first when I loaded the program on my system, it wouldn't run, it
> would just lock up the system and I would have to "Force Quit". I was
> told to check my system resources by using the "top" command in my
> terminal. Sure enough when I activated OpenShot it used the most
> resources.
> good deal of resources. Closing that out and ONLY running OpenShot
> allowed the program to run, however, the program is running very high
> on the resources (65% to 85%). That is cutting it close.
>
> Anyway, I tried to export one of my finished pieces of work and once
> again the program gave me trouble, this time the program just kicked me
> out right to the desktop. Once again I tried the "top" command and it
> was sitting right on 100% when I executed the export function.
>
> Now this has me perplexed. I am NOT running anything extra on my
> system, so I am figuring that some adjustments have to be made in order
> to optimize the CPU usage.
>
> I don't consider my machine slow, but it sure isn't the fastest machine
> out there, but up until recently (with this program) I have not had
> many problems...this is the first time I am having one with CPU usage.
>
> At any rate this is my system info:
>
> Dell Dimension 4600
> Intel P4 2.8ghz processor
> 2gig Ram
> 2 Seagate Sata 500gig hard drives
> ATI Radeon 9600XT video card with 256meg ram
> OS, multi boot with Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy)
> Program causing 100% usage: OpenShot
> M-Audio Delta 44 audio card (Linux compatible)
>
> When running the System Monitor, memory usage seems to be good and
> there is plenty of ram and plenty of space on the swap file. It is just
> that I need to get this one program running as I want to use it for
> video editing. I do not know what is causing the problem.
>
> Here is my terminal using the 'top' command. I have to show the usage
> of Firefox because I am composing this message while running the
> terminal:
>
>
> Swap: 4305380k total, 0k used, 4305380k free, 467824k cached
>
> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
> 5456 root 20 0 556m 20m 8180 S 3.0 1.0 7:14.60 Xorg
> 32400 geo 20 0 195m 61m 24m S 1.7 3.1 1:47.25 firefox
> 6037 geo 20 0 41164 22m 13m S 1.0 1.1 0:14.45 gnome-panel
> 15 root 10 -10 0 0 0 S 0.3 0.0 0:00.47 desched/0
> 933 geo 20 0 2308 1128 852 R 0.3 0.1 0:00.01 top
> 5924 geo 20 0 53772 22m 8748 S 0.3 1.1 0:02.54
> gnome-settings-
> 6031 geo 20 0 21916 12m 7792 S 0.3 0.6 0:11.13 metacity
> 6038 geo 20 0 86608 40m 15m S 0.3 2.0 0:29.09 nautilus
> 32361 geo 20 0 77028 19m 10m S 0.3 1.0 0:00.62 gnome-terminal
> 1 root 20 0 2844 1688 544 S 0.0 0.1 0:01.30 init
> 2 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kthreadd
> 3 root RT -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/0
> 4 root RT -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 posix_cpu_timer
> 5 root -51 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 sirq-high/0
> 6 root -51 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:22.14 sirq-timer/0
> 7 root -51 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 sirq-net-tx/0
> 8 root -51 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:05.15 sirq-net-rx/0
> geo@home:~$
>
>
> Firefox is only using 1.7 (but it does spike higher).
>
> Now this is my "top" command using the OpenShot video editor. OpenShot
> is a Python based program:
>
> wap: 4305380k total, 0k used, 4305380k free, 469264k cached
>
> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
> 3806 geo 20 0 138m 52m 16m S 47.2 2.6 0:05.67 python
> 5456 root 20 0 557m 22m 9588 S 8.6 1.1 7:19.35 Xorg
> 6030 geo 20 0 16388 2704 1744 S 1.0 0.1 0:22.70
> gnome-screensav
> 6031 geo 20 0 21916 12m 7792 S 1.0 0.6 0:11.40 metacity
> 6037 geo 20 0 41164 22m 13m S 1.0 1.1 0:14.88 gnome-panel
> 6 root -51 -5 0 0 0 S 0.3 0.0 0:22.46 sirq-timer/0
> 16 root -2 -5 0 0 0 S 0.3 0.0 0:00.41 events/0
> 3150 root -51 -5 0 0 0 S 0.3 0.0 0:06.45 IRQ-22
> 5924 geo 20 0 53772 22m 8748 S 0.3 1.1 0:02.58
> gnome-settings-
> 7416 geo 20 0 26016 12m 7200 S 0.3 0.6 0:01.12
> notification-da
> 32361 geo 20 0 77424 20m 11m S 0.3 1.0 0:01.24 gnome-terminal
> 1 root 20 0 2844 1688 544 S 0.0 0.1 0:01.30 init
> 2 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kthreadd
> 3 root RT -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/0
> 4 root RT -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 posix_cpu_timer
> 5 root -51 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 sirq-high/0
> 7 root -51 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 sirq-net-tx/0
> geo@home:~$
>
> You see that? It went to 47.2 CPU usage. Now I am going to run the
> export command:
>
> Swap: 4305380k total, 91892k used, 4213488k free, 102944k cached
>
> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
> 7509 geo 20 0 142m 56m 15m S 93.4 2.8 0:49.78 python
> 5456 root 20 0 556m 20m 7044 S 1.0 1.0 7:24.39 Xorg
> 6038 geo 20 0 86608 38m 13m S 1.0 1.9 0:29.61 nautilus
> 6037 geo 20 0 41164 21m 12m S 0.7 1.1 0:16.08 gnome-panel
> 6 root -51 -5 0 0 0 S 0.3 0.0 0:23.06 sirq-timer/0
> 793 root -51 -5 0 0 0 S 0.3 0.0 0:00.24 IRQ-1
> 5065 root 20 0 4064 1144 916 S 0.3 0.1 0:09.54 atieventsd
> 6105 geo 20 0 2308 1140 856 R 0.3 0.1 0:00.35 top
> 32361 geo 20 0 77748 20m 11m S 0.3 1.0 0:01.82 gnome-terminal
> 1 root 20 0 2844 1652 508 S 0.0 0.1 0:01.30 init
> 2 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kthreadd
> 3 root RT -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/0
> 4 root RT -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 posix_cpu_timer
> 5 root -51 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 sirq-high/0
> 7 root -51 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 sirq-net-tx/0
> 8 root -51 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:05.15 sirq-net-rx/0
> 9 root -51 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:02.81 sirq-block/0
>
> Boom! There you have it 100% CPU usage.
>
> Now I would like to know if there is a way to adjust this within Ubuntu
> so it makes proper use of the CPU. As you can see the rest of the
> processes I am running are nil. I find it hard to believe that this
> program could be sucking up THAT much power. I use Windows XP on the
> same system (dual boot) and I have run FAR more memory/CPU intense
> programs on that OS.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Thank You,
>
> GeoThat was my post in the Ubuntu forums.Now for some questions:When I
> start up any program it DOES cause a spike in the CPU usage, but then it
> settles down when idle. The spikes in Firefox do get pretty large, but
> they are nothing in comparison to OpenShot. The spikes reach 65% to 85%
> and I am not running anything else. The last "top" command above shows
> 93.4 CPU usage when I execute the Export command to create a video
> file. However, this doesn't spike...it STAYS there. All the while when
> doing system reports using the system monitor, it seems very little is
> used in terms of memory and swap space.Could there be something in
> OpenShot that is hogging up all the CPU resources?While I made some
> headway as to the cause of the problems, I don't have a solution. I am
> NOT a Linux expert and I don't know if there is a way to manage the CPU
> usage. I am hoping there is because I am really not in the market to
> get a new machine. But according to yourself, you DID mention it to me
> that the program should run on my machine given the system specs I
> forwarded to you. Thus if that is the case then something is wrong, or
> something is set wrong.Any ideas?Thanx,Geo
>
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Hello Jonathan<<> This could also be an issue with one of our dependencies (such > as MLT). In> fact, I'm leaning more and more this direction. Possibly a > runaway thread> or something. We are working with the MLT team on another issue > that is> similar to this. I would advise you to keep an eye on the > OpenShot project> website, and watch for an update about performance improvements.>>So you are saying that this is mostly lies in the fault of OpenShot? I thought I had to reset something in Ubuntu to get it to work properly. But then again, your system is probably newer and much faster than mine.Overall my intention is NOT to multi-task with OpenShot. I just want it to work running on it's own. My goal is to set up a video presentation and run it from a PC. The reason why I chose Linux is because I can package Ubuntu with OpenShot and VLC on one disk and then install the whole kit and caboodle on a PC. Windows just takes TOO LONG to set up the OS.The anticipation is great because now I found something that WILL do the job AND is easy to use. Hopefully this would be an easy fix.In the meantime, I should be able to put my program together and save it as an OpenShot file. That I CAN do. But I can't export my finished work into an Mpeg4 Thanx,Geo > > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 11:57 PM, jukingeo <> <email address hidden>> wrote:> > > Question #81182 on OpenShot Video Editor changed:> > https:/
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Hello Jonathan, I still have not found a solution to the CPU usage situation in Ubuntu, but I do remember that we were talking about using OpenShot on various other Linux distributions and Xubuntu came up.Anyway, I did a bit of research on Xubuntu and it uses a different graphical interface than Ubuntu. Xubuntu uses XFCE for an interface.However, I read a post in the Xubuntu message board and came across this:
<<Re: why NOT xubuntu?
I run gnome (ubuntu) on my desktops and xfce (xubuntu)
on my old laptop, and indeed, there are some notable differences. The
menus are very different, as is the desktop screen. It even uses a
different file browser/manager, thunar rather than nautilus.
But hey, I like thunar so much that I run it with gnome.
But both are great! xubuntu is much better with system resources.>>That last line caught my attention. Echoing what you said about running OpenShot on Xubuntu it should run any program that was made for Ubuntu. Going further any Debian based program should run on both Ubuntu and Xubuntu.It might me worth a shot to compare the CPU usage from Ubuntu V.S. Xubuntu.I will say that in terms of features I probably don't want to stray away from Ubuntu, but for special applications, it might be feasible to create a video only machine that is using Xubuntu for the OS.What were your experiences when comparing OpenShot on Ubuntu v.s. Xubuntu?Geo----- Original Message -----From: Jonathan Thomas Date: Friday, September 4, 2009 2:06 amSubject: Re: [Question #81182]: OpenShot and my system CPU usage problemTo: <email address hidden>> Your question #81182 on OpenShot Video Editor changed:> https:/
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Hello Jonathan,I have found out even MORE in regards to Ubuntu tonight. As it stands doing further reading on Xubuntu, it seems that isn't as lightweight as it touts itself to be. It DOES have better resource management and it uses the XFCE desktop which IS lighter than Gnome.However I have found out that Ubuntu will have two more spin offs this fall:1) Spri (A continuation of the Icebuntu project, they are changing the name)2) LubuntuBoth Spri and Lubuntu are supposed to have significant advances in 'lighter weight' installation and running in comparison to Xubuntu.I am not sure if you knew about these Ubuntu based distros out there, but I am curious as to how well OpenShot will run on these.Geo
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Hello Jonathan,I did an experiment this weekend. I really wasn't in a position to try out a full Xubuntu install but I was told that I could run Ubuntu with the XFCE gui interface instead of gnome. Since basically this is what Xubuntu is all about (with a few other minor differences) I tried out the XFCE interface for the heck of it. Besides, I wanted to know what it looked like. Guess what? OpenShot WITH Export WORKED! It was DEAD slow though and ran an average of 95% on cpu usage. However, XFCE ran a low 1.7 on usage. Just about everything else was off except a few minor processes that hovered aroun 0.3 usage. All in all it WAS a tight fit but I had a successful Export.Now here is the kicker. I tried the export using Mpeg4 (hi def video) and about CD quality audio. I was amazed to see that the resultant Mpeg4 video is very pixelated and grainy. I would figure at those high settings I would have a better transfer. Any idea why that is the case?By any chance did you find out what is eating up the resources on your end? When running in XFCE the program itself was hovering around 55% usage which is better than in Gnome, but the export function really eats up power. You certainly cannot multi-task with OpenShot the way it is now.No supposedly Lubuntu is supposed to have an even more resource conservative interface.
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Hello Jonathan,
I did an experiment this weekend. I really wasn't in a position to try
out a full Xubuntu install but I was told that I could run Ubuntu with
the XFCE gui interface instead of gnome. Since basically this is what
Xubuntu is all about (with a few other minor differences) I tried out
the XFCE interface for the heck of it. Besides, I wanted to know what
it looked like.
Guess what? OpenShot WITH Export WORKED! It was DEAD slow though and
ran an average of 95% on cpu usage. However, XFCE ran a low 1.7 on
usage. Just about everything else was off except a few minor processes
that hovered aroun 0.3 usage. All in all it WAS a tight fit but I had
a successful Export.
Now here is the kicker. I tried the export using Mpeg4 (hi def video)
and about CD quality audio. I was amazed to see that the resultant
Mpeg4 video is very pixelated and grainy. I would figure at those high
settings I would have a better transfer. Any idea why that is the case?
By any chance did you find out what is eating up the resources on your
end? When running in XFCE the program itself was hovering around 55%
usage which is better than in Gnome, but the export function really
eats up power. You certainly cannot multi-task with OpenShot the way
it is now.
No supposedly Lubuntu is supposed to have an even more resource
conservative interface.
If you could shed some light on why the exports are so grainy that
would be good because I am ALMOST there to being able to fully use
OpenShot.
Thanx,
Geo
----- Original Message -----From: Jonathan Thomas Date: Friday, September 4, 2009 2:06 amSubject: Re: [Question #81182]: OpenShot and my system CPU usage problemTo: <email address hidden>> Your question #81182 on OpenShot Video Editor changed:> https:/
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Interesting. Well, for the time being, I am going to focus on Ubuntu and
Debian, since they make up the majority of Linux distros. I welcome anyone
who wants to help adapt OpenShot for other distros, but as for me, I just
don't have time right now to focus on them. =) Thanks!
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 10:18 PM, jukingeo <
<email address hidden>> wrote:
> Question #81182 on OpenShot Video Editor changed:
> https:/
>
> jukingeo gave more information on the question:
> Hello Jonathan,I have found out even MORE in regards to Ubuntu tonight.
> As it stands doing further reading on Xubuntu, it seems that isn't as
> lightweight as it touts itself to be. It DOES have better resource
> management and it uses the XFCE desktop which IS lighter than
> Gnome.However I have found out that Ubuntu will have two more spin offs
> this fall:1) Spri (A continuation of the Icebuntu project, they are
> changing the name)2) LubuntuBoth Spri and Lubuntu are supposed to have
> significant advances in 'lighter weight' installation and running in
> comparison to Xubuntu.I am not sure if you knew about these Ubuntu based
> distros out there, but I am curious as to how well OpenShot will run on
> these.Geo
>
> --
> You received this question notification because you are an answer
> contact for OpenShot Video Editor.
>
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Geo, I'm not sure how you are posting info to the LaunchPad question system
(email or web browser), but it loses all formatting, and just becomes a big
blob of text. It makes it difficult to read. I'm not sure what you can do
to fix it, but you might experiment and see if you can resolve it. =) I'm
sure you will get more feedback if your posts are more formatted.Thanks!
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 2:48 PM, jukingeo <
<email address hidden>> wrote:
> Question #81182 on OpenShot Video Editor changed:
> https:/
>
> jukingeo gave more information on the question:
> Hello Jonathan,I did an experiment this weekend. I really wasn't in a
> position to try out a full Xubuntu install but I was told that I could
> run Ubuntu with the XFCE gui interface instead of gnome. Since
> basically this is what Xubuntu is all about (with a few other minor
> differences) I tried out the XFCE interface for the heck of it.
> Besides, I wanted to know what it looked like. Guess what? OpenShot WITH
> Export WORKED! It was DEAD slow though and ran an average of 95% on cpu
> usage. However, XFCE ran a low 1.7 on usage. Just about everything
> else was off except a few minor processes that hovered aroun 0.3 usage.
> All in all it WAS a tight fit but I had a successful Export.Now here is
> the kicker. I tried the export using Mpeg4 (hi def video) and about CD
> quality audio. I was amazed to see that the resultant Mpeg4 video is
> very pixelated and grainy. I would figure at those high settings I
> would have a better transfer. Any idea why that is the case?By any
> chance did you find out what is eating up the resources on your end?
> When running in XFCE the program itself was hovering around 55% usage
> which is better than in Gnome, but the export function really eats up
> power. You certainly cannot multi-task with OpenShot the way it is
> now.No supposedly Lubuntu is supposed to have an even more resource
> conservative interface.
> you could shed some light on why the exports are so grainy that would be
> good because I am ALMOST there to being able to fully use
> OpenShot.
> Date: Friday, September 4, 2009 2:06 amSubject: Re: [Question #81182]:
> OpenShot and my system CPU usage problemTo: <email address hidden>> Your
> question #81182 on OpenShot Video Editor changed:>
> https:/
> Open => Answered> > Jonathan Thomas proposed the following answer:> This
> could also be an issue with one of our dependencies (such > as MLT).
> In> fact, I'm leaning more and more this direction. Possibly a >
> runaway thread> or something. We are working with the MLT team on
> another issue > that is> similar to this. I would advise you to keep an
> eye on the > OpenShot project> website, and watch for an update about
> performance improvements.> > Thanks,> -Jonathan> > > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009
> at 11:57 PM, jukingeo <> <email address hidden>> wrote:> >
> > Question #81182 on OpenShot Video Editor changed:> >
> https:/
> gave more information on the question:> > Hello Jonathan, I did a bit
> more digging tonight in regards to > the CPU> > usage problem. I found
> out about a command called "top" that > you use in> > the terminal and
> it reports all the system data back to you. > It reports> > the usage
> listing the system 'hogs' first and then each > operation that> > uses
> the next most cpu usage next, and so on, and so on.I > posted my> >
> findings in the Ubuntu forum and hopefully someone can assist > me
> there> > as well. Here is my post:Hello all,> >> > I am having trouble
> with a video editing program I am trying > to learn> > called OpenShot.>
> >> > At first when I loaded the program on my system, it wouldn't > run,
> it> > would just lock up the system and I would have to "Force > Quit".
> I was> > told to check my system resources by using the "top" command >
> in my> > terminal. Sure enough when I activated OpenShot it used the
> most> > resources.
> used a> > good deal of resources. Closing that out and ONLY running
> OpenShot> > allowed the program to run, however, the program is running
> > very high> > on the resources (65% to 85%). That is cutting it close.>
> >> > Anyway, I tried to export one of my finished pieces of work > and
> once> > again the program gave me trouble, this time the program just >
> kicked me> > out right to the desktop. Once again I tried the "top"
> command > and it> > was sitting right on 100% when I executed the export
> function.> >> > Now this has me perplexed. I am NOT running anything
> extra on my> > system, so I am figuring that some adjustments have to be
> made > in order> > to optimize the CPU usage.> >> > I don't consider my
> machine slow, but it sure isn't the > fastest machine> > out there, but
> up until recently (with this program) I have > not had> > many
> problems...this is the first time I am having one with > CPU usage.> >>
> > At any rate this is my system info:> >> > Dell Dimension 4600> > Intel
> P4 2.8ghz processor> > 2gig Ram> > 2 Seagate Sata 500gig hard drives> >
> ATI Radeon 9600XT video card with 256meg ram> > OS, multi boot with
> Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy)> > Program causing 100% usage: OpenShot> > M-Audio
> Delta 44 audio card (Linux compatible)> >> > When running the System
> Monitor, memory usage seems to be good and> > there is plenty of ram and
> plenty of space on the swap file. > It is just> > that I need to get
> this one program running as I want to use > it for> > video editing. I
> do not know what is causing the problem.> >> > Here is my terminal using
> the 'top' command. I have to show > the usage> > of Firefox because I am
> composing this message while running the> > terminal:> >> >> > Swap:
> 4305380k total, 0k used, 4305380k free, > 467824k cached> >> >
> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND> >
> 5456 root 20 0 556m 20m 8180 S 3.0 1.0 7:14.60 Xorg> >
> 32400 geo 20 0 195m 61m 24m S 1.7 3.1 1:47.25 firefox> >
> 6037 geo 20 0 41164 22m 13m S 1.0 1.1 0:14.45 > gnome-
> panel> > 15 root 10 -10 0 0 0 S 0.3 0.0 0:00.47 >
> desched/0> 933 geo 20 0 2308 1128 852 R 0.3 0.1 > 0:00.01
> top> > 5924 geo 20 0 53772 22m 8748 S 0.3 1.1 0:02.54> >
> gnome-settings-> > 6031 geo 20 0 21916 12m 7792 S 0.3 0.6
> 0:11.13 > metacity> 6038 geo 20 0 86608 40m 15m S 0.3 2.0
> > 0:29.09 nautilus> > 32361 geo 20 0 77028 19m 10m S 0.3 1.0
> 0:00.62 > gnome-terminal> > 1 root 20 0 2844 1688 544 S 0.0
> 0.1 0:01.30 init> > 2 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0
> 0:00.00 kthreadd> > 3 root RT -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0
> 0:00.00 > migration/0> 4 root RT -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0
> > 0:00.00 posix_cpu_timer> > 5 root -51 -5 0 0 0 S
> 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 > sirq-high/0> > 6 root -51 -5 0 0
> 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:22.14 > sirq-timer/0> > 7 root -51 -5 0
> 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 > sirq-net-tx/0> > 8 root -51 -5
> 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:05.15 > sirq-net-rx/0> > geo@home:~$> >> >>
> > Firefox is only using 1.7 (but it does spike higher).> >> > Now this
> is my "top" command using the OpenShot video editor. > OpenShot> is a
> Python based program:> >> > wap: 4305380k total, 0k used,
> 4305380k free, > 469264k cached> >> > PID USER PR NI VIRT RES
> SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND> > 3806 geo 20 0 138m 52m
> 16m S 47.2 2.6 0:05.67 python> > 5456 root 20 0 557m 22m
> 9588 S 8.6 1.1 7:19.35 Xorg> > 6030 geo 20 0 16388 2704
> 1744 S 1.0 0.1 0:22.70> > gnome-screensav> > 6031 geo 20 0
> 21916 12m 7792 S 1.0 0.6 0:11.40 > metacity> 6037 geo 20 0
> 41164 22m 13m S 1.0 1.1 > 0:14.88 gnome-panel> > 6 root -51
> -5 0 0 0 S 0.3 0.0 0:22.46 > sirq-timer/0> > 16 root
> -2 -5 0 0 0 S 0.3 0.0 0:00.41 events/0> > 3150 root
> -51 -5 0 0 0 S 0.3 0.0 0:06.45 > IRQ-22> > 5924 geo
> 20 0 53772 22m 8748 S 0.3 1.1 0:02.58> > gnome-settings-> > 7416
> geo 20 0 26016 12m 7200 S 0.3 0.6 0:01.12> > notification-
> da> > 32361 geo 20 0 77424 20m 11m S 0.3 1.0 0:01.24 >
> gnome-terminal> > 1 root 20 0 2844 1688 544 S 0.0 0.1
> 0:01.30 init> > 2 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0
> 0:00.00 kthreadd> > 3 root RT -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0
> 0:00.00 > migration/0> 4 root RT -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0
> > 0:00.00 posix_cpu_timer> > 5 root -51 -5 0 0 0 S
> 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 > sirq-high/0> > 7 root -51 -5 0 0
> 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 > sirq-net-tx/0> > geo@home:~$> >> > You see
> that? It went to 47.2 CPU usage. Now I am going to > run the> > export
> command:> >> > Swap: 4305380k total, 91892k used, 4213488k free,
> > 102944k cached> >> > PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM
> TIME+ COMMAND> > 7509 geo 20 0 142m 56m 15m S 93.4 2.8
> 0:49.78 python> > 5456 root 20 0 556m 20m 7044 S 1.0 1.0
> 7:24.39 Xorg> > 6038 geo 20 0 86608 38m 13m S 1.0 1.9
> 0:29.61 > nautilus> 6037 geo 20 0 41164 21m 12m S 0.7 1.1
> > 0:16.08 gnome-panel> > 6 root -51 -5 0 0 0 S 0.3
> 0.0 0:23.06 > sirq-timer/0> > 793 root -51 -5 0 0 0 S
> 0.3 0.0 0:00.24 > IRQ-1> > 5065 root 20 0 4064 1144 916 S
> 0.3 0.1 0:09.54 > atieventsd> 6105 geo 20 0 2308 1140 856
> R 0.3 0.1 > 0:00.35 top> > 32361 geo 20 0 77748 20m 11m S
> 0.3 1.0 0:01.82 > gnome-terminal> > 1 root 20 0 2844 1652
> 508 S 0.0 0.1 0:01.30 init> > 2 root 15 -5 0 0 0
> S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kthreadd> > 3 root RT -5 0 0 0
> S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 > migration/0> 4 root RT -5 0 0
> 0 S 0.0 0.0 > 0:00.00 posix_cpu_timer> > 5 root -51 -5 0
> 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 > sirq-high/0> > 7 root -51 -5
> 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 > sirq-net-tx/0> > 8 root -51
> -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:05.15 > sirq-net-rx/0> > 9 root
> -51 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:02.81 > sirq-block/0> >> > Boom!
> There you have it 100% CPU usage.> >> > Now I would like to know if
> there is a way to adjust this > within Ubuntu> > so it makes proper use
> of the CPU. As you can see the rest of the> > processes I am running are
> nil. I find it hard to believe that this> > program could be sucking up
> THAT much power. I use Windows XP > on the> > same system (dual boot)
> and I have run FAR more memory/CPU intense> > programs on that OS.> >> >
> Any help would be appreciated.> >> > Thank You,> >> > GeoThat was my
> post in the Ubuntu forums.Now for some > questions:When I> > start up
> any program it DOES cause a spike in the CPU usage, > but then it> >
> settles down when idle. The spikes in Firefox do get pretty > large,
> but> > they are nothing in comparison to OpenShot. The spikes reach >
> 65% to 85%> > and I am not running anything else. The last "top" command
> > above shows> > 93.4 CPU usage when I execute the Export command to
> create a video> > file. However, this doesn't spike...it STAYS there.
> All the > while when> > doing system reports using the system monitor,
> it seems very > little is> > used in terms of memory and swap
> space.Could there be > something in> > OpenShot that is hogging up all
> the CPU resources?While I made some> > headway as to the cause of the
> problems, I don't have a > solution. I am> > NOT a Linux expert and I
> don't know if there is a way to > manage the CPU> > usage. I am hoping
> there is because I am really not in the > market to> > get a new
> machine. But according to yourself, you DID > mention it to me> > that
> the program should run on my machine given the system > specs I> >
> forwarded to you. Thus if that is the case then something is > wrong,
> or> > something is set wrong.Any ideas?Thanx,Geo> >> > --> > You
> received this question notification because you are an answer> > contact
> for OpenShot Video Editor.> >> > -- > If this answers your question,
> please go to the following page > to let us> know that it is solved:>
>
> https:/
> >
> > If you still need help, you can reply to this email or go to the>
> following page to enter your feedback:>
> https:/
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Hello Jonathan,Those operating systems I mentioned ARE versions of Ubuntu. Icebuntu (Spri) and Lubuntu ARE still versions of Ubuntu. I did some research and supposedly Xubuntu really fell flat from it's initial intention from being lightweight. There are only minor changes that allow it to use resources better, but the biggest difference is the XFCE gui interface.The same can be said of Icebuntu and Lubuntu...their interfaces save EVEN MORE resources. But getting down to the nitty gritty...all are still based on original Ubuntu & Debian.Outside of that there is one distribution I WOULD keep my eye on and that is Arch-Linux. Arch seems to be gaining popularity in leaps and bounds. However, it is a more 'advanced' OS in the fact that the user has to manually set it up. But I am wondering if that could help in making a more fine tuned system for the purposes of audio and video editing. But in any regard, I am fine if you stick with Ubuntu. I don't really want to steer far from it myself. Ubuntu still has the best community support. But I sure am thinking about switching my system over to Xubuntu or Lubuntu now. I DO like the lightweight interfaces and as my initial tests prove, I managed to get OpenShot to work with it.I still have to do a full editing session with OpenShot to fully evaluate it. So I will get back to you there.Geo----- Original Message -----From: Jonathan Thomas Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 5:27 pmSubject: Re: [Question #81182]: Even MORE Ubuntu distributions coming down the pike.To: <email address hidden>> Your question #81182 on OpenShot Video Editor changed:> https:/
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Hello Johnathan<<> Geo, I'm not sure how you are posting info to the LaunchPad > question system> (email or web browser), but it loses all formatting, and just > becomes a big> blob of text. It makes it difficult to read. I'm not sure what > you can do> to fix it, but you might experiment and see if you can resolve > it. =) I'm> sure you will get more feedback if your posts are more > formatted.
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Sure, email should be fine. I use email to reply to these bugs and
questions often (as do most people), and have no issues. Please take a look
at how your text looks on the website. You initial question looks normal,
but then all follow-ups get mashed together. Just click the link and scroll
down to your responses.
https:/
Thanks,
-Jonathan
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 7:33 AM, jukingeo <
<email address hidden>> wrote:
> Question #81182 on OpenShot Video Editor changed:
> https:/
>
> jukingeo gave more information on the question:
> Hello Johnathan<<> Geo, I'm not sure how you are posting info to the
> LaunchPad > question system> (email or web browser), but it loses all
> formatting, and just > becomes a big> blob of text. It makes it
> difficult to read. I'm not sure what > you can do> to fix it, but you
> might experiment and see if you can resolve > it. =) I'm> sure you will
> get more feedback if your posts are more > formatted.
> formatting looks fine on my end. At any rate, I am responding directly
> from email, so I am not sure if there is a mix in translation from
> Outlook to whatever system is posting on your end. If that is the case,
> I would look into it on your end because more people are opt to do what
> I am doing and reply to your email via their email system rather than
> going back to the website to answer each and every reply.> On Sun, Sep
> 6, 2009 at 2:48 PM, jukingeo <> <email address hidden>>
> wrote:> > > Question #81182 on OpenShot Video Editor changed:> >
> https:/
> gave more information on the question:> > Hello Jonathan,I did an
> experiment this weekend. I really > wasn't in a> > position to try out
> a full Xubuntu install but I was told that > I could> > run Ubuntu with
> the XFCE gui interface instead of gnome. Since> > basically this is
> what Xubuntu is all about (with a few other minor> > differences) I
> tried out the XFCE interface for the heck of it.> > Besides, I wanted to
> know what it looked like. Guess what? > OpenShot WITH> > Export WORKED!
> It was DEAD slow though and ran an average of > 95% on cpu> > usage.
> However, XFCE ran a low 1.7 on usage. Just about everything> > else was
> off except a few minor processes that hovered aroun > 0.3 usage.> > All
> in all it WAS a tight fit but I had a successful > Export.Now here is> >
> the kicker. I tried the export using Mpeg4 (hi def video) and > about
> CD> > quality audio. I was amazed to see that the resultant Mpeg4 >
> video is> > very pixelated and grainy. I would figure at those high >
> settings I> > would have a better transfer. Any idea why that is the >
> case?By any> > chance did you find out what is eating up the resources
> on > your end?> > When running in XFCE the program itself was hovering
> around > 55% usage> > which is better than in Gnome, but the export
> function really > eats up> > power. You certainly cannot multi-task
> with OpenShot the way > it is> > now.No supposedly Lubuntu is supposed
> to have an even more resource> > conservative interface.
> OS hasn't been released > yet.If> you could shed some light on why the
> exports are so > grainy that would be> > good because I am ALMOST there
> to being able to fully use> > OpenShot.
> -----From: Jonathan Thomas> > Date: Friday, September 4, 2009 2:06
> amSubject: Re: [Question > #81182]:> OpenShot and my system CPU usage
> problemTo: > <email address hidden>> Your> > question #81182 on OpenShot
> Video Editor changed:>> >
> https:/
> Open => Answered> > Jonathan Thomas proposed the following > answer:>
> This> > could also be an issue with one of our dependencies (such > as
> MLT).> > In> fact, I'm leaning more and more this direction. Possibly >
> a >> > runaway thread> or something. We are working with the MLT > team
> on> > another issue > that is> similar to this. I would advise you > to
> keep an> > eye on the > OpenShot project> website, and watch for an >
> update about> > performance improvements.> > Thanks,> -Jonathan> > > On
> Thu, > Sep 3, 2009> > at 11:57 PM, jukingeo <>
> <email address hidden>> > wrote:> >> > > Question #81182 on
> OpenShot Video Editor changed:> >> >
> https:/
> gave more information on the question:> > Hello > Jonathan, I did a bit>
> > more digging tonight in regards to > the CPU> > usage problem. > I
> found> > out about a command called "top" that > you use in> > the >
> terminal and> > it reports all the system data back to you. > It
> reports> > > the usage> > listing the system 'hogs' first and then each
> > operation > that> > uses> > the next most cpu usage next, and so on,
> and so on.I > posted > my> >> > findings in the Ubuntu forum and
> hopefully someone can assist > > me> > there> > as well. Here is my
> post:Hello all,> >> > I am > having trouble> > with a video editing
> program I am trying > to learn> > called > OpenShot.>> >> > At first
> when I loaded the program on my > system, it wouldn't > run,> > it> >
> would just lock up the system and I would have to "Force > > Quit".> > I
> was> > told to check my system resources by using the "top" > command >>
> > in my> > terminal. Sure enough when I activated OpenShot it > used
> the> > most> > resources.
> open) also >> > used a> > good deal of resources. Closing that out and
> ONLY running> > OpenShot> > allowed the program to run, however, the
> program > is running> > > very high> > on the resources (65% to 85%).
> That is cutting > it close.>> > >> > Anyway, I tried to export one of my
> finished pieces of > work > and> > once> > again the program gave me
> trouble, this time the > program just >> > kicked me> > out right to the
> desktop. Once again I tried the "top"> > command > and it> > was sitting
> right on 100% when I executed > the export> > function.> >> > Now this
> has me perplexed. I am NOT running anything> > extra on my> > system, so
> I am figuring that some adjustments > have to be> > made > in order> >
> to optimize the CPU usage.> >> > I don't > consider my> > machine slow,
> but it sure isn't the > fastest machine> > out > there, but> > up until
> recently (with this program) I have > not had> > many> > problems...this
> is the first time I am having one with > CPU > usage.> >>> > > At any
> rate this is my system info:> >> > Dell Dimension > 4600> > Intel> > P4
> 2.8ghz processor> > 2gig Ram> > 2 Seagate Sata 500gig hard > drives> >>
> > ATI Radeon 9600XT video card with 256meg ram> > OS, multi boot with> >
> Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy)> > Program causing 100% usage: OpenShot> > >
> M-Audio> > Delta 44 audio card (Linux compatible)> >> > When running the
> System> > Monitor, memory usage seems to be good and> > there is plenty
> > of ram and> > plenty of space on the swap file. > It is just> > that I
> need > to get> > this one program running as I want to use > it for> >
> video > editing. I> > do not know what is causing the problem.> >> >
> Here is my > terminal using> > the 'top' command. I have to show > the
> usage> > of Firefox > because I am> > composing this message while
> running the> > terminal:> >> >> > Swap:> > 4305380k total, 0k
> used, 4305380k free, > 467824k > cached> >> >> > PID USER PR NI
> VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ > COMMAND> >> > 5456 root 20
> 0 556m 20m 8180 S 3.0 1.0 7:14.60 > Xorg> >> > 32400 geo 20
> 0 195m 61m 24m S 1.7 3.1 1:47.25 > firefox> >> > 6037 geo
> 20 0 41164 22m 13m S 1.0 1.1 0:14.45 > > gnome-> > panel> > 15
> root 10 -10 0 0 0 S 0.3 0.0 > 0:00.47 >> > desched/0>
> 933 geo 20 0 2308 1128 852 R 0.3 0.1 > > 0:00.01> > top> >
> 5924 geo 20 0 53772 22m 8748 S 0.3 1.1 > 0:02.54> >> >
> gnome-settings-> > 6031 geo 20 0 21916 12m 7792 S > 0.3 0.6>
> > 0:11.13 > metacity> 6038 geo 20 0 86608 40m 15m S > 0.3
> 2.0> > > 0:29.09 nautilus> > 32361 geo 20 0 77028 19m 10m S >
> 0.3 1.0> > 0:00.62 > gnome-terminal> > 1 root 20 0 2844 1688
> > 544 S 0.0> > 0.1 0:01.30 init> > 2 root 15 -5 0 0
> 0 S > 0.0 0.0> > 0:00.00 kthreadd> > 3 root RT -5 0 0
> 0 S > 0.0 0.0> > 0:00.00 > migration/0> 4 root RT -5 0
> 0 0 S > 0.0 0.0> > > 0:00.00 posix_cpu_timer> > 5 root -51
> -5 0 0 > 0 S> > 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 > sirq-high/0> > 6 root
> -51 -5 > 0 0> > 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:22.14 > sirq-timer/0> > 7
> root -51 -> 5 0> > 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 > sirq-net-
> tx/0> > 8 root -> 51 -5> > 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:05.15 >
> sirq-net-rx/0> > > geo@home:~$> >> >>> > > Firefox is only using 1.7
> (but it does spike higher).> >> > > Now this> > is my "top" command
> using the OpenShot video editor. > > OpenShot> is a> > Python based
> program:> >> > wap: 4305380k total, 0k used,> > 4305380k free,
> > 469264k cached> >> > PID USER PR NI > VIRT RES> > SHR S %CPU
> %MEM TIME+ COMMAND> > 3806 geo 20 0 > 138m 52m> > 16m S
> 47.2 2.6 0:05.67 python> > 5456 root 20 0 > 557m 22m> >
> 9588 S 8.6 1.1 7:19.35 Xorg> > 6030 geo 20 0 > 16388 2704>
> > 1744 S 1.0 0.1 0:22.70> > gnome-screensav> > 6031 geo > 20
> 0> > 21916 12m 7792 S 1.0 0.6 0:11.40 > metacity> 6037 geo >
> 20 0> > 41164 22m 13m S 1.0 1.1 > 0:14.88 gnome-panel> > 6 >
> root -51> > -5 0 0 0 S 0.3 0.0 0:22.46 > sirq-timer/0>
> > > 16 root> > -2 -5 0 0 0 S 0.3 0.0 0:00.41 events/0>
> > 3150 root> > -51 -5 0 0 0 S 0.3 0.0 0:06.45 > IRQ-22>
> > > 5924 geo> > 20 0 53772 22m 8748 S 0.3 1.1 0:02.58> > gnome-
> settings-> > > 7416> > geo 20 0 26016 12m 7200 S 0.3 0.6
> 0:01.12> > > notification-> > da> > 32361 geo 20 0 77424 20m
> 11m S 0.3 1.0 > 0:01.24 >> > gnome-terminal> > 1 root 20 0
> 2844 1688 544 S 0.0 > 0.1> > 0:01.30 init> > 2 root 15 -5
> 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0> > 0:00.00 kthreadd> > 3 root RT -5
> 0 0 0 S > 0.0 0.0> > 0:00.00 > migration/0> 4 root RT
> -5 0 0 0 S > 0.0 0.0> > > 0:00.00 posix_cpu_timer> > 5
> root -51 -5 0 0 > 0 S> > 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 > sirq-high/0>
> > 7 root -51 -5 > 0 0> > 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 > sirq-
> net-tx/0> > geo@home:~$> >> > > You see> > that? It went to 47.2 CPU
> usage. Now I am going to > run the> > > export> > command:> >> > Swap:
> 4305380k total, 91892k used, > 4213488k free,> > > 102944k cached>
> >> > PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S > %CPU %MEM> > TIME+
> COMMAND> > 7509 geo 20 0 142m 56m 15m S > 93.4 2.8> >
> 0:49.78 python> > 5456 root 20 0 556m 20m 7044 S > 1.0 1.0>
> > 7:24.39 Xorg> > 6038 geo 20 0 86608 38m 13m S 1.0 1.9> >
> 0:29.61 > nautilus> 6037 geo 20 0 41164 21m 12m S > 0.7
> 1.1> > > 0:16.08 gnome-panel> > 6 root -51 -5 0 0 0 >
> S 0.3> > 0.0 0:23.06 > sirq-timer/0> > 793 root -51 -5 0
> > 0 0 S> > 0.3 0.0 0:00.24 > IRQ-1> > 5065 root 20 0 4064
> > 1144 916 S> > 0.3 0.1 0:09.54 > atieventsd> 6105 geo 20 0
> 2308 > 1140 856> > R 0.3 0.1 > 0:00.35 top> > 32361 geo 20
> 0 77748 > 20m 11m S> > 0.3 1.0 0:01.82 > gnome-terminal> > 1
> root 20 0 > 2844 1652> > 508 S 0.0 0.1 0:01.30 init> > 2
> root 15 -5 0 > 0 0> > S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kthreadd> >
> 3 root RT -5 0 > 0 0> > S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 >
> migration/0> 4 root RT -5 > 0 0> > 0 S 0.0 0.0 >
> 0:00.00 posix_cpu_timer> > 5 root -51 > -5 0> > 0 0 S 0.0
> 0.0 0:00.00 > sirq-high/0> > 7 root -> 51 -5> > 0 0 0 S
> 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 > sirq-net-tx/0> > 8 root > -51> > -5 0
> 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:05.15 > sirq-net-rx/0> > > 9 root> > -51 -5
> 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:02.81 > sirq-block/0> > >> > Boom!> > There
> you have it 100% CPU usage.> >> > Now I would like to > know if> > there
> is a way to adjust this > within Ubuntu> > so it makes > proper use> >
> of the CPU. As you can see the rest of the> > processes I am > running
> are> > nil. I find it hard to believe that this> > program could be >
> sucking up> > THAT much power. I use Windows XP > on the> > same system
> > (dual boot)> > and I have run FAR more memory/CPU intense> > programs
> on that > OS.> >> >> > Any help would be appreciated.> >> > Thank You,>
> >> > GeoThat > was my> > post in the Ubuntu forums.Now for some >
> questions:When I> > > start up> > any program it DOES cause a spike in
> the CPU usage, > but then > it> >> > settles down when idle. The spikes
> in Firefox do get pretty > > large,> but> > they are nothing in
> comparison to OpenShot. The > spikes reach >> > 65% to 85%> > and I am
> not running anything else. The last > "top" command> > > above shows> >
> 93.4 CPU usage when I execute the Export > command to> > create a video>
> > file. However, this doesn't spike...it > STAYS there.> > All the >
> while when> > doing system reports using the system > monitor,> it seems
> very > little is> > used in terms of memory > and swap> > space.Could
> there be > something in> > OpenShot that is > hogging up all> > the CPU
> resources?While I made some> > headway as to the cause > of the> >
> problems, I don't have a > solution. I am> > NOT a Linux > expert and
> I> > don't know if there is a way to > manage the CPU> > usage. I > am
> hoping> > there is because I am really not in the > market to> > get a
> new> > machine. But according to yourself, you DID > mention it to >
> me> > that> > the program should run on my machine given the system >
> specs > I> >> > forwarded to you. Thus if that is the case then
> something is > > wrong,> > or> > something is set wrong.Any
> ideas?Thanx,Geo> >> > --> > You> > received this question notification
> because you are an answer> > > contact> > for OpenShot Video Editor.> >>
> > -- > If this answers your question,> > please go to the following page
> > to let us> know that it is > solved:>>> > >
>
> https:/
> >
> >> > > If you still need help, you can reply to this email or go to
> the>> > following page to enter your feedback:>> >
> https:/
> received> this question notification because you are a direct> >
> subscriber of the> > question.>> >> > You received this question
> notification because you are an answer> > contact for OpenShot Video
> Editor.> >> > -- > If this answers your question, please go to the
> following page > to let us> know that it is solved:>
>
> https:/
> >
> > If you still need help, you can reply to this email or go to the>
> following page to enter your feedback:>
> https:/
> this question notification because you are a direct> subscriber of the
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Hello Jonathan.> Sure, email should be fine. I use email to reply to these bugs and> questions often (as do most people), and have no issues. Please > take a look> at how your text looks on the website. You initial question > looks normal,> but then all follow-ups get mashed together. Just click the > link and scroll> down to your responses.Perhaps it is a bad translation from the email server (Optonline.net) to your website. I can assure you that I am NOT doing that...Looks like some kind of formatting issue. I will delete most of the correspondence and web links from now on as that should cut down on the hash. I usually answer you directly through Optimum. So either they are screwing around with the translation to your site, or your site is misinterpreting the information. I don't recall anything like this happening before, but then again, I normally do not do forum discussions through an email. At any rate, getting back on topic, let me know if there is something that is causing the huge tax on the CPU resources. I am going to give XFCE a full dry run of an edit tonight and see if I can then export the results without a problem. If I can then I will be good to go for now, I just have to switch interfaces for when I do video work. I been thinking about switching from Gnome anyway because it has been pretty slow. XFCE is much faster. I tried out LXDE (the interface for Lubuntu) two nights ago and that is even faster yet! So I am probably going to give Ubuntu a 'face lift' anyway.Geo
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Hello Jonathan
I looked at the formatting after I deleted all of the correspondence and it does look MUCH better. I talked to one of my computer guru's at work about it and he agrees with me that it is a formatting problem between your's and my service provider. At any rate as per his suggestion, I am sending you this as a "Text Only" file (No HTML). So hopefully everything should come out 'normal' on your end.
Anyway, getting back on track, now that I can get OpenShot to export, the trouble is that the video comes out very pixelated...almost 'mosaic' looking. While it isn't bad on a small computer screen, I am going to be putting my finished video presentations on a large movie theater screen and it would look horrible. I was told to convert to FFmpeg, which is supposed to be lossless, BUT my video player program, VLC doesn't seem to handle that format.
When I grab files online to download, they usually are in the Mpeg4 format and they download fine on my machine and look great on VLC. However, I have to put the raw footage together in OpenShot and then export the file. I AM choosing Mpeg4 again as my resultant file. You have Mpeg4 labeled at HDTV quality in the export selection menu and I can assure you it is far from that quality. So either I am doing something wrong, or there is a glitch somewhere.If I DON'T export and just use the edited footage (standard OpenShot save), then the footage is fine, but I am gathering that because OpenShot is non-destructive editing that it is taking all the info it needs from the parent files, correct?
Thanx,Geo
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Formatting is much better! I would suggest trying different bit rates. You
can type in the box and change the bit rate. Also, if you want to determine
the bit rate of your source files, you can use this command. Of course, you
can do that same command on the output from OpenShot and compare the
settings.
$ ffmpeg -i Path_Of_Video
Thanks,
-Jonathan
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:09 AM, jukingeo <
<email address hidden>> wrote:
> Question #81182 on OpenShot Video Editor changed:
> https:/
>
> jukingeo gave more information on the question:
> Hello Jonathan
>
> I looked at the formatting after I deleted all of the correspondence and
> it does look MUCH better. I talked to one of my computer guru's at work
> about it and he agrees with me that it is a formatting problem between
> your's and my service provider. At any rate as per his suggestion, I am
> sending you this as a "Text Only" file (No HTML). So hopefully
> everything should come out 'normal' on your end.
>
> Anyway, getting back on track, now that I can get OpenShot to export,
> the trouble is that the video comes out very pixelated...almost 'mosaic'
> looking. While it isn't bad on a small computer screen, I am going to
> be putting my finished video presentations on a large movie theater
> screen and it would look horrible. I was told to convert to FFmpeg,
> which is supposed to be lossless, BUT my video player program, VLC
> doesn't seem to handle that format.
>
> When I grab files online to download, they usually are in the Mpeg4
> format and they download fine on my machine and look great on VLC.
> However, I have to put the raw footage together in OpenShot and then
> export the file. I AM choosing Mpeg4 again as my resultant file. You
> have Mpeg4 labeled at HDTV quality in the export selection menu and I
> can assure you it is far from that quality. So either I am doing
> something wrong, or there is a glitch somewhere.If I DON'T export and
> just use the edited footage (standard OpenShot save), then the footage
> is fine, but I am gathering that because OpenShot is non-destructive
> editing that it is taking all the info it needs from the parent files,
> correct?
>
> Thanx,Geo
>
> --
> You received this question notification because you are an answer
> contact for OpenShot Video Editor.
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Hello Jonathan
<<> Formatting is much better!>>
Yeah, I will continue to use "Plain Text". If your website is using a text based posting system, then that can happen. If it uses HTML then you wouldn't have that problem.
<< I would suggest trying different bit rates. You can type in the box and change the bit rate.>>
Which box?
<< Also, if you want to determine the bit rate of your source files, you can use this command. Of course, you can do that same command on the output from OpenShot and compare the settings.
$ ffmpeg -i Path_Of_Video>>
Is that in the terminal or Py text box that comes up under OpenShot?
Thanx,
Geo
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#37 |
On the Export Video screen, the very last textbox (Video Bit Rate /
Quality). It will let you override any of the preset values.
The "ffmpeg" command should just be run from a fresh terminal window. It
has nothing to do with the OpenShot code. =)
Thanks!
-Jonathan
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 9:39 PM, jukingeo <
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> Question #81182 on OpenShot Video Editor changed:
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> Status: Answered => Open
>
> jukingeo is still having a problem:
> Hello Jonathan
>
> <<> Formatting is much better!>>
>
> Yeah, I will continue to use "Plain Text". If your website is using a
> text based posting system, then that can happen. If it uses HTML then
> you wouldn't have that problem.
>
> << I would suggest trying different bit rates. You can type in the box
> and change the bit rate.>>
>
> Which box?
>
> << Also, if you want to determine the bit rate of your source files, you
> can use this command. Of course, you can do that same command on the
> output from OpenShot and compare the settings.
>
> $ ffmpeg -i Path_Of_Video>>
>
> Is that in the terminal or Py text box that comes up under OpenShot?
>
> Thanx,
>
> Geo
>
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#38 |
Hello Jonathan,
Sorry I have not been able to get back to you on the ffmpeg command thing. I been busy preparing for vacation. Anyway, I ran that command in my terminal and pointed it towards the source file that is in my edited movie. That file name is ABCMovie.flv
Here is the terminal output:
ABCMovie.flv Drive-In Intro.osp MyMovie.mp4 thumbnail
alsatmp dvdrip-data nautilus usbmidi-20040829
Audio dwhelper PDF usbmidi-
Desktop envy24control test verify.txt
Documents Games testb.mp4 Video Projects
Downloads Music Test.osp
geo@home:~$ ffmpeg -i ABCMovie.flv
FFmpeg version git-8172b3f, Copyright (c) 2000-2009 Fabrice Bellard, et al.
configuration: --enable-gpl --enable-nonfree --enable-shared --enable-pthreads --enable-libx264 --enable-libfaac --enable-libtheora
libavutil 50. 3. 0 / 50. 3. 0
libavcodec 52.32. 0 / 52.32. 0
libavformat 52.36. 0 / 52.36. 0
libavdevice 52. 2. 0 / 52. 2. 0
libswscale 0. 7. 1 / 0. 7. 1
built on Jul 22 2009 19:08:01, gcc: 4.2.4 (Ubuntu 4.2.4-1ubuntu4)
Seems stream 0 codec frame rate differs from container frame rate: 1000.00 (1000/1) -> 25.00 (25/1)
Input #0, flv, from 'ABCMovie.flv':
Duration: 00:00:23.80, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 220 kb/s
Stream #0.0: Video: flv, yuv420p, 192x144, 220 kb/s, 25 tbr, 1k tbn, 1k tbc
Stream #0.1: Audio: mp3, 22050 Hz, 2 channels, s16
At least one output file must be specified
geo@home:~$
This is the output of the resultant video after exporting:
geo@home:~$ ffmpeg -i MyMovie.mp4
FFmpeg version git-8172b3f, Copyright (c) 2000-2009 Fabrice Bellard, et al.
configuration: --enable-gpl --enable-nonfree --enable-shared --enable-pthreads --enable-libx264 --enable-libfaac --enable-libtheora
libavutil 50. 3. 0 / 50. 3. 0
libavcodec 52.32. 0 / 52.32. 0
libavformat 52.36. 0 / 52.36. 0
libavdevice 52. 2. 0 / 52. 2. 0
libswscale 0. 7. 1 / 0. 7. 1
built on Jul 22 2009 19:08:01, gcc: 4.2.4 (Ubuntu 4.2.4-1ubuntu4)
Seems stream 0 codec frame rate differs from container frame rate: 30000.00 (30000/1) -> 29.97 (30000/1001)
Input #0, mov,mp4,
Duration: 00:00:20.98, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 3454 kb/s
Stream #0.0(und): Video: mpeg4, yuv420p, 640x480 [PAR 1:1 DAR 4:3], 29.97 tbr, 30k tbn, 30k tbc
Stream #0.1(und): Audio: mp2, 44100 Hz, 2 channels, s16
At least one output file must be specified
geo@home:~$
I have no idea what I am looking at, so I am hoping this helps you out. This info is beyond me!
Thanx,
Geo
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#39 |
Hello Geo,
This is information overload ;-)
Can you explain in plain English what problem you are having in this last question please?
Helen
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#40 |
Hello Helen,
In simple terms, when I create a video file in the program using good clear files as a source, when I go to export, it comes out pixelated. What I mean by that is that the quality produced is that of a very poor video taken at low resolution. You get that 'grainy' or 'blocky' look. Now I understand that if you export to a low resolution file that this can happen, but I am setting the export to an HD quality format and I STILL get the problem.
In even simpler terms, export is degrading my work even at the highest settings.
Any ideas as to the problem?
Thanx,
Geo
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#41 |
I would suggest this: after you select your "HD" settings, switch to the
advanced tab and take a look at the quality settings. Try typing a new
(higher) video bit rate and see if that helps.
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:00 AM, jukingeo <
<email address hidden>> wrote:
> Question #81182 on OpenShot Video Editor changed:
> https:/
>
> Status: Needs information => Open
>
> jukingeo gave more information on the question:
> Hello Helen,
>
> In simple terms, when I create a video file in the program using good
> clear files as a source, when I go to export, it comes out pixelated.
> What I mean by that is that the quality produced is that of a very poor
> video taken at low resolution. You get that 'grainy' or 'blocky' look.
> Now I understand that if you export to a low resolution file that this
> can happen, but I am setting the export to an HD quality format and I
> STILL get the problem.
>
> In even simpler terms, export is degrading my work even at the highest
> settings.
>
> Any ideas as to the problem?
>
> Thanx,
>
> Geo
>
> --
> You received this question notification because you are an answer
> contact for OpenShot Video Editor.
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#42 |
Actually, I don't think the problem is with the settings. If I'm not mistaken, it has to do with the video Geo has chosen.
Judging from part of the terminal output on the original file, its size is 192x144 but the file is exported at a size of 640x480.
That means that the original is very small but the final movie is stretched to be very large.
When you stretch an image or video to the size difference like that, you'll start to see the individual pixels.
You can see an example of this if you look at a small image and zoom in about 300%.
The only way to fix this would be to find a larger dimension source video or don't stretch the final exported video.
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#43 |
Ok, so the file might be small, but here is the kicker:
When I VIEW the file within Openshot while editing, it looks fine. When I export the video and THEN view it again (same size on screen as the original), it looks more pixelated than the original. This is even when using HD settings. So my reasoning is that with the settings set that high, the exported file should play back with at least the same quality as the original, right? Or am I missing something here?
Geo
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#44 |
Okay, when you're viewing it in openshot, its still the original format. It's when you export it that you're having problems...
You said you watched it the same size as the original? Are you sure it's the same? The only reason I'm skeptical is because of the terminal output you posted before.
I'm not certain, because I haven't use .flv files very often, but I don't think the quality is very good. It could be that by trying to make the quality better by exporting in HD (and a larger resolution size?), the video actually degrades and that's why you see the pixelation.
I can't help with the settings because I had to uninstall openshot, but for this new time you tried to export, did you use different settings than before, yet still got the same horrible quality?
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#45 |
Hello
<Levells proposed the following answer:
Okay, when you're viewing it in openshot, its still the original format. It's when you export it that you're having problems...>>
Yes. The file looks pretty good when I import it into the program for editing. Editing it is fine. I can save the os file and that is good too, but export it and it is pixelated.
<You said you watched it the same size as the original?>
Yes
<Are you sure it's the same?>
No...can't tell really. Just playing the resultant file after exporting looks worse then what went in.
<The only reason I'm skeptical is because of the terminal output you posted before.
I'm not certain, because I haven't use .flv files very often, but I don't think the quality is very good.>
Trust me...I wouldn't use .flv files by choice, but when you grab something from the net...it generally will be an .flv file (i.e. YouTube).
<<It could be that by trying to make the quality better by exporting in HD (and a larger resolution size?), the video actually degrades and that's why you see the pixelation.
I can't help with the settings because I had to uninstall openshot, but for this new time you tried to export, did you use different settings than before, yet still got the same horrible quality?>>
I used everything from standard DVD quality on up and pretty much there was no improvement on the pixelation problem.
I haven't tried JUST using other files. Could be an issue with .flv. I did want to test it with just other files (outside of .flv's) to see what will happen, but right now I can't...my Ubuntu partition is down and I am back to Windows for a while. Right now I am pretty busy with Halloween coming up and I don't intend to fix it until afterwards.
Geo
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#46 |
Solution for Youtube videos=Firefox + Easy Youtube Video Downloader (addon http://
At this point, I'll leave it to the experts because I can't think of anything else that could help.
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#47 |
I would suggest trying a few different formats (such as avi, mp4, etc...)
and comparing the quality to the FLV. Do they all suffer the same problem?
Or is the FLV the only format that degrades the quality?
Thanks,
-Jonathan
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Levells <
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> Question #81182 on OpenShot Video Editor changed:
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> Status: Open => Answered
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> Levells proposed the following answer:
> Solution for Youtube videos=Firefox + Easy Youtube Video Downloader (addon
> http://
> they seem okay.
> At this point, I'll leave it to the experts because I can't think of
> anything else that could help.
>
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#48 |
Hello Jonathan,
I will try out some more editing with Openshot once I get my Ubuntu partition back up. I did something stupid with setting permissions (although I didn't know it at the time) and now I can't even get into it. It is so bad that I have to reinstall the boot partition. Right now I just don't have the time for it. I have two big projects planned for Halloween and I am concentrating my efforts on that. BUT I will be back!
Oh! Have a Happy Halloween!
Geo
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#49 |
Sounds like a plan. You have a Happy Halloween too! =)
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:18 PM, jukingeo <
<email address hidden>> wrote:
> Question #81182 on OpenShot Video Editor changed:
> https:/
>
> Status: Answered => Open
>
> jukingeo is still having a problem:
> Hello Jonathan,
>
> I will try out some more editing with Openshot once I get my Ubuntu
> partition back up. I did something stupid with setting permissions
> (although I didn't know it at the time) and now I can't even get into
> it. It is so bad that I have to reinstall the boot partition. Right
> now I just don't have the time for it. I have two big projects planned
> for Halloween and I am concentrating my efforts on that. BUT I will be
> back!
>
> Oh! Have a Happy Halloween!
>
> Geo
>
> --
> You received this question notification because you are an answer
> contact for OpenShot Video Editor.
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#50 |
Hi,
i run
sudo python setup.py install it runs successfully. But when i try to open openshot from terminal getting error
openshot
-------
Failed to import 'from openshot import main'
Error Message: cannot import name main
-------
-------
Failed to import 'from openshot.openshot import main'
Error Message: could not open display
-------
OpenShot has failed to import some of the Python files or libraries
required for our application to run. Here are some trouble shooting
tips:
Tip 1) Check if MLT can be successfully imported in Python. Run the
following commands, and see if any errors are displayed. If you get
an error, you need to investigate the correct way to install MLT.
NOTE: Do not type the $ or >> characters in the examples below.
$ python
>> import mlt
>> mlt.Factory(
Tip 2) If MLT is working from the first example, then the next tip is
to look at the above error messages very closely, and google for more
help. It's likely the problem is already reported, and maybe there is
a simple work-around. Also, you can search for bugs or report a new
bug at https:/
[nitin.
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Failed to import 'from openshot import main'
Error Message: cannot import name main
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Failed to import 'from openshot.openshot import main'
Error Message: could not open display
-------
OpenShot has failed to import some of the Python files or libraries
required for our application to run. Here are some trouble shooting
tips:
Tip 1) Check if MLT can be successfully imported in Python. Run the
following commands, and see if any errors are displayed. If you get
an error, you need to investigate the correct way to install MLT.
NOTE: Do not type the $ or >> characters in the examples below.
$ python
>> import mlt
>> mlt.Factory(
Tip 2) If MLT is working from the first example, then the next tip is
to look at the above error messages very closely, and google for more
help. It's likely the problem is already reported, and maybe there is
a simple work-around. Also, you can search for bugs or report a new
bug at https:/
can some help me to come out from this error
Can you help with this problem?
Provide an answer of your own, or ask jukingeo for more information if necessary.
