Process p p > Z a, (Z > 2taus, 2taus > 2muons + 4v's) returns zero cross-section.

Asked by Maaz Ul Haq

Hello aMC@NLO team.

I'm trying to generate events for the SM process p p > Z a, (Z > ta+ ta-, ta+ > mu+ vm vt~, ta- > mu- vm~ vt). When the run tries to create jobs, it runs into a zero cross-section error:

Creating Jobs
INFO: Refine results to 10000
INFO: Generating 10000.0 unweighted events.
INFO: Effective Luminosity 1.2e+103 pb^-1
INFO: need to improve 0 channels
Survey return zero cross section.
   Typical reasons are the following:
   1) A massive s-channel particle has a width set to zero.
   2) The pdf are zero for at least one of the initial state particles
      or you are using maxjetflavor=4 for initial state b:s.
   3) The cuts are too strong.
   Please check/correct your param_card and/or your run_card.

The single tau decay process p p > Z a, (Z > ta+ ta-, ta+ > mu+ vm vt~) works ok but it also returns a very tiny cross-section: 1.708e-07 +- 4.479e-10 pb.

Is the way I'm decaying the tau here good with Madgraph?

Thanks,
Maaz

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Best Olivier Mattelaer (olivier-mattelaer) said :
#1

Which model are you using?

In the default model, the width of the tau is assumed to be zero which prevent such computation to be working.
In general
1) be very carefull with the tau total width since MG5aMC is using it but we are not able to compute it
2) be sure to use a recent version of the code since the width is so small that old version can face numerical unstabilites issue for the tau width (in recent version of the code, we use a fake large width to avoid that numerical issue and then use Narrow-width approximation to correct the cross-section accordingly.

Cheers,

Olivier

> On 15 Jun 2021, at 02:01, Maaz Ul Haq <email address hidden> wrote:
>
> New question #697533 on MadGraph5_aMC@NLO:
> https://answers.launchpad.net/mg5amcnlo/+question/697533
>
> Hello aMC@NLO team.
>
> I'm trying to generate events for the SM process p p > Z a, (Z > ta+ ta-, ta+ > mu+ vm vt~, ta- > mu- vm~ vt). When the run tries to create jobs, it runs into a zero cross-section error:
>
> Creating Jobs
> INFO: Refine results to 10000
> INFO: Generating 10000.0 unweighted events.
> INFO: Effective Luminosity 1.2e+103 pb^-1
> INFO: need to improve 0 channels
> Survey return zero cross section.
> Typical reasons are the following:
> 1) A massive s-channel particle has a width set to zero.
> 2) The pdf are zero for at least one of the initial state particles
> or you are using maxjetflavor=4 for initial state b:s.
> 3) The cuts are too strong.
> Please check/correct your param_card and/or your run_card.
>
> The single tau decay process p p > Z a, (Z > ta+ ta-, ta+ > mu+ vm vt~) works ok but it also returns a very tiny cross-section: 1.708e-07 +- 4.479e-10 pb.
>
> Is the way I'm decaying the tau here good with Madgraph?
>
> Thanks,
> Maaz
>
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Maaz Ul Haq (maazul) said :
#2

Hello Olivier.

Thanks for the prompt answer. I was using the default sm model with MG5_aMC v2.9.1.2. With the updated code and model 'sm-lepton_masses', I get a more reasonable cross-section (~0.06 pb) for the process.

Thanks again,
Maaz

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Maaz Ul Haq (maazul) said :
#3

Thanks Olivier Mattelaer, that solved my question.