tau decays issue

Asked by Thomas Strebler

Hi,

I'm currently trying to generate events with MadGraph for the ttH, H->tautau process, taking into account the decay of the taus.
I guess that the hadronic decay of the taus cannot be directly handled by MadGraph so I only require a leptonic decay for now.
I generated the process using the following command line
generate p p > t t~ h , (t > b l+ vl), (t > b j j) , (h > ta- ta+, ta+ > vt l+ vl)
The decay of the tops seem to be compatible with an on-shell top, followed by an on-shell W decay.
However for the leptonic tau, I get a rather weird distribution, since apparently it goes through the decay of an on-shell W as well, and the invariant mass of the (vt, l+, vl) system is not at all compatible with an on-shell tau, since it is between 80 and 120 GeV.

I also tried to generate the following process
generate p p > t t~ h , (t > b l+ vl), (t > b j j) , (h > ta- ta+, ta+ > vt l+ vl $ w+)
In that case, the invariant mass distribution for the (l+, vl) system is not consistent with an on-shell W and grows linearly between 0 and 50 GeV.
Moreover, the invariant mass of the (vt, l+, vl) system is still not compatible with an on-shell tau, though different from the previous process. I get a distribution between 20 and 120 GeV with a mean of 71 GeV.

Does anyone know what would be the better way to deal with the tau decays?
I read that they could in principle be handled with TAUOLA (which should be able to deal with hadronic tau decay as well) but I didn't find an explicit example about how to do it.
Is there any user guide for that?

Thank you for your help
Cheers

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Best Kentarou Mawatari (kentarou-mawatari) said :
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Dear Thomas,

Which model are you using? default sm?

In default sm, the tau width is set to zero, so you should import 'sm-lepton_masses'.

For hadronic tau decay, the recent version can take them into account through
'TauDecay' package (1212.6247). I'm preparing for a short document for the instruction,
and I let you know soon.

Or, you can just install 'pythia-pgs' inside MG5_aMC, where TAUOLA is called automatically
for tau decays.

Best wishes,
Kentarou

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Thomas Strebler (thomas-strebler) said :
#2

Dear Kentarou,

I imported 'sm-lepton_masses' as you suggested, instead of the default sm, and this gives much more sensible outputs.
Once you have the short documentation about the TauDecay package available, I will be very interested in reading it.
Thank you very much for your answer

Cheers,
Thomas

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Thomas Strebler (thomas-strebler) said :
#3

Thanks Kentarou Mawatari, that solved my question.

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Kentarou Mawatari (kentarou-mawatari) said :
#4

Dear Thomas,

We revised the TauDecay paper in arXiv, where you can find the brief instruction of TauDecay in MG5_aMC:

http://arxiv.org/abs/1212.6247

Best wishes,
Kentarou

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Thomas Strebler (thomas-strebler) said :
#5

Thank you very much for the update

Cheers,
Thomas

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Arindam Das (dasarindamphysics) said :
#6

Hi,

While using the Taudecay_UFO package according to http://arxiv.org/pdf/1212.6247v2.pdf
(page 10) and once write :

> add model taudecay_UFO

WARNING: QED has different hierarchy use the minimal value (2, 1) => 1
Command "add model taudecay_UFO " interrupted in sub-command:
"add model taudecay_UFO" with error:
UnboundLocalError : local variable 'identify_pid' referenced before assignment
Please report this bug on https://bugs.launchpad.net/madgraph5
More information is found in 'MG5_debug'.
Please attach this file to your report.

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Arindam Das (dasarindamphysics) said :
#7

Please let me know how to solve this.

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Arindam Das (dasarindamphysics) said :
#8

I was using the MdGraph version : MG5_aMC_v2_2_3

Regards,
Arindam

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Olivier Mattelaer (olivier-mattelaer) said :
#9

I think this has been already fixed in the latest version of the code, could you check?

Cheers,

Olivier