Can the registered project 'koffice' please be removed?

Asked by Thomas Zander

There is a project on launchpad called 'koffice' which is not registered with anyone that has any relation the official project by the same name and is abandoned. Its showing many years old information.

Only someone that is representative of the project should use the project name KOffice to avoid confusion so please remove the project from launchpad.

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Curtis Hovey (sinzui) said :
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The project cannot be removed because it is being used to track upstream projects information. Many rpojects on Launchpad are not hosted projects, but mirrors. As you noted, the person who started to track koffice is not longer doing it.

We are willing to give the stewardship of this projec tot anyone who want to update the imports and enable auto translation syncing.

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Thomas Zander (zander-kde) said :
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> The project cannot be removed because it is being used to track upstream projects information.

Hmm, to be honest here, no its not. The information is some 4 to 5 years out of date. That doesn't quality as 'track upstream' in anyones mind.

> Many rpojects on Launchpad are not hosted projects, but mirrors.

Thats fine, if the owners of the upstream projects care enough to go to all the sites similar to launchpad to update the info on them they can do that. Thats those projects choice naturally.

> We are willing to give the stewardship...

If you are unwilling to remove the project, please rename it to be not confusingly similar to the upstream owned name. Launchpad doesn't host the project and should not be seen as an hoster or owner to anyone accidentally finding the page here.

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Curtis Hovey (sinzui) said :
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I cannot rename it or deactivate because the Ubuntu community are using it. As I said, launchpad is not a simple hosting service, communities register projects to mirror information used to forward bugs, sync translations, and get the latest patches. Since the maintain is absent this informaiton is stale.

I am assining the issue to an admin who can give the project to the registry admins. They can fix the information.

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Thomas Zander (zander-kde) said :
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> I cannot rename it or deactivate because the Ubuntu community are using it.

Why do you say that? There is no evidence I can see that this is the case.
I suggest that the ubuntu community uses the upstream website and bugzilla if they need this. Like everyone else does. Your answers are ignoring the request to not (mis)represent a project name that doesn't belong to you. Please address that point.

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Curtis Hovey (sinzui) said :
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The Packages in Ubuntu section on https://launchpad.net/koffice shows the packages that were linked to this project. The package page indicate that the data is incomplete and needs fixing: Missing upstream contact, bug tracker, development series, and translations.

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Thomas Zander (zander-kde) said :
#6

Can you please stop closing this question as 'answered' while you didn't actually take any action? Thanks.

You explain that the packages are somehow linked to this project, which is nice but kind of besides the point. As there are many packages that are shipped by ubuntu that don't have a project this is not really an argument.

As long as Launchpad has a page which is not just an informational page linking to upstream, but a project with a bugtracker, blueprints and all that, its not clear to the visitor that this is not the official project. Or even where to go for the official translations and bugtracker. (hint, they are not hosted on launchpad)
Its fine that launchpad wants to have some sort of tracking page for packages, but launchpad went a step to far and makes things confusing to the consumer. On top of that the information is so hopelessly outdated that any suggestion of goodwill is just not plausible. If the project page was required for packaging of the software, then the version number should not be 5 years old on the project name, for instance.

I suggest you take inspiration from debian on how to avoid creating confusion and diluting the brandname http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/koffice.html

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Curtis Hovey (sinzui) said :
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I think you greatly misunderstand what I can do or and admin can do.

1. No one can remove the project because it is linked to Ubuntu by Ubuntu contributors. If someone made a direct chagne the the database to removed it, the pages would error and someone would recreate it to fix the problem.

2. I am not the project owner, so I cannot change the descriptive information on the page.

3. I can, and have, asked an admin to transfer the project to the Registry Administrators. I will update the description of the project to state that the page is a record of an upstream project. Once the project is know to need ownership, other users will come forward and steward it.

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Michael Barnett (mbarnett) said :
#8

I have transfered the project to the Registry Administrators.

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Curtis Hovey (sinzui) said :
#9

I updated the project description to include that the project is mirrored for bug forwarding and code and translation syncing. I removed the 1.4 nonsense and updated the upstream bug tracker to koffice in the kde tracker.

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Thomas Zander (zander-kde) said :
#10

You closed the report with that answer? This is really getting silly :(

The launchpad page lists incredibly outdated information, has 'tabs' for branches, bugs, blueprints, translations and 'answers' as well as technical terms like 'trunk' that give the strong impression its hosted here. Its license info is wrong, it has incorrect links to weird places, programming language is incomplete, and last but not least the page on launchpad is called "Project", which, again, are strong hints that this project is owned by launchpad and by extension by canonical. Its not. Its trademark is owned by KDE e.V.

I've been working on the real project KOffice for 12 years, you are hurting the project by diluting the trademark and I really can't believe you are just ignoring the direct and clear request to stop doing that.

I'll ask once more, please remove any suggestion KOffice is hosted on lauchpad. Saying its technically not possible is really not an acceptable answer. You are smart guys, you'll find a way.

Thank you.

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Curtis Hovey (sinzui) said :
#11

I have not closed the question. You can close the question my marking it solved. I can only comment or provide an answer.

I have revised the description to state that koffice is a mirrored project.. Launchpad is a *directory* and a hosting service, and many project use both aspects. Launchpad is like freshmeat and ohloh as well as source forge. I cannot remove koffice--really I cannot.

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