Radial rotation of tiled clones

Asked by Joyce

Hi, I am trying to rotate a simple drawing around the bottom point of that drawing. I've moved the + to the bottom point. However when I do the rotation it rotates the top of my drawing around that point. I tried moving the + to the top to see what happens. When I do this it still rotates the top of the drawing, but instead the rotated drawings do no intersect at all, they are offset around an imaginary circle. I can make the tutorial work, but not my drawing.

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Hachmann (marenhachmann) said :
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Hi Joyce,

it's a bit difficult to follow your description without an actual file. I'm also not sure if you're talking about the tiled clones dialog's automatical rotation when creating tiled clones, or about rotating by handles later. Also, which tutorial are you following?

Could you please:
- upload a file that demonstrates the issue
- upload a few screenshots that show what happens for you and what instead you would expect to happen ?

A quick guess would be that the layer transformation bug in Inkscape 0.91 (if that is the version you are using?) could be playing a role here. Have you ever resized the document you are working in?

For your uploads, please use a file hosting service, like dropbox, google drive etc. This answers section does not support any kind of attachments.

Kind regards,
 Maren

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Joyce (reclaimedandrepurposed) said :
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Hi, sure I will attempt to upload a file. (I'll have to figure that out) And yes, I am using version 0.91. And I'm using the tutorial that shows up when you click on Help. Its the last section under Tips and Tricks. Actually just having difficulty using the tiled clones and rotation tool in general. (Not the handle thing) I tried to rotate just a single line in the tutorial. It worked. But if I go back to my file then I can't seem to rotate around a single point. I can rotate a line but the ends of the line do not intersect. Sometimes I can find the little + and sometimes it does not seem to appear. Don't know what I'm doing wrong there either. And I started trying to work on this two weeks ago, and have not gotten very far because I can't seem to make things work. So in answer to your question I really don't think I re sized the document, but I definitely Zoomed to fit the Page in Window (button), and I changed the orientation of the page to landscape. I have also used the zoom in and out several times.

The drawing that I have attempted to clone and rotate (trying to make a dandelion looking flower), consists of a line, with half circle lines coming out of the top. I can rotate it. It even converges. Yeah! But it converges on the flower end, instead of the straight line end. If that makes sense. Imagine my drawing looks like this: A--------------B I want to rotate it so that it rotates around the A end.. However when I rotate it, it rotates around the B end of my drawing. The little cross hair thingy is located at the A end. Moved it to the B end to see if that would fix the problem. However, it still rotated around the B end, but then there was no convergence, (they don't meet at a center point). Moving the cross hair did not change the center of rotation, it only spread out the drawing into a larger non converging circle. Hopefully this explanation helps some.

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Joyce (reclaimedandrepurposed) said :
#3

Hey, its me again. I went back and changed my page orientation to portrait from landscape and tried the whole clone rotation thing again. It worked fine in portrait. It does not work in landscape. Then I opened a new file to verify my findings just trying to clone and rotate a straight line. Again, it works fine in portrait, but it does not work if the page is set to landscape mode.

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Mc (mc...) said :
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looks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/168651 (known bug, should be fixed in next release)

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Joyce (reclaimedandrepurposed) said :
#5

Oh, when is the next release due out? Also, if you would not mind answering another question, please. I am trying to copy my cloned design to another page I have opened in inkscape. I can copy my original dandelion piece, but not the cloned rotational thing. Do I have to do something to disconnect the original dandelion portion to my cloned and rotated entire dandelion to make the copy and paste thing work?

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Hachmann (marenhachmann) said :
#6

Hi Joyce,

if it is the bug we suppose it is, then it can be easily fixed in Inkscape 0.91:

- Open the layers dialog (Layer -> Layers....)
- Create a new layer (click on the plus sign in the layers dialog)
- Select everything you have in your drawing (click on the old layer in the dialog, hit Ctrl+A, or just drag a selection box around)
- Move it to the new layer by pressing Shift + PgUp or PgDown, depending on the new layer being higher or lower in the layer stack.
- Delete the old layer.

After this, it should work. Each time you change document size/orientation, you'd need to get rid of the old layers, as those trigger the bug.

The orientation change is internally the same as a resize, I guess.

The disconnecting (Edit -> Clone -> Unlink clone) should not be necessary to copy clones over to a new document... At least I thought so, before I tested it... Turns out it then says 'Clone [orphaned]' in the status line...

If you copy the original over with, then it works. After that, you can delete the original, if you like.

Kind regards,
 Maren

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Hachmann (marenhachmann) said :
#7

The date of the next release isn't set yet. There's still some work to do before it can be released.

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