smudge/blur bug in surface pro not RT. moves the object while tool is operating.

Hi Seth,

how do you blur objects?
I usually select them, and then, in the Fill and Stroke dialog (Shift+Ctrl+F), move the slider (or enter a value, or use the scroll wheel).

I'm not sure how you 'touch' the object while blurring it - maybe you are using the Tweak tool?
Please describe your problem in more detail.
(It would be normal that the bounding box size of an object changes when you blur it - but that is probably not what you mean?)

If you *are* using the tweak tool:

Does this happen for the other modes (for example, color change), too?
Which Inkscape version are you using?
Which file did you download?
Do you have a similar behaviour with other programs on your tablet?
Can you attach a real mouse to that thing? What happens then?

Regards,
 Maren

Maren,
Thank you for getting back to me.
Yes, you are correct. I meant the Tweak tool.

>Does this happen for the other modes (for example, color change), too?
 -no, only tweak tool
 - However, i did figure out that one of the tweak options (it more or less
shatters the continuity of the line you are tweaking, tearing the edges up
and producing tons of nodes. I love this one btw.) actually does work and
does not push the object anywhere. The rest of the Tweak options just move
the object around. This "object" i reference is a line that i draw/connect
nodes. In earlier inkscapes, a standard circle or square would sometimes
just get pushed around with no actual tweaking or smudging. This error im
speaking of does it on any object made by any means (copied from other
inkscape files, drawn, scaled, cut, broke apart, combined, etc....).

>Which Inkscape version are you using?
 - 0.91

>Which file did you download?
 - official. cant md5 sum it, but i remember getting it from inkscape site.

>Do you have a similar behaviour with other programs on your tablet?
 -none so far. tried breaking gimp using similar tools. no errors.

>Can you attach a real mouse to that thing? What happens then?
 -do not have access to usb or bluetooth mouse currently. it has a
touchpad, which gives same result as touching the screen with finger or pen.

On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 8:56 PM, Hachmann <
<email address hidden>> wrote:

> Your question #270123 on Inkscape changed:
> https://answers.launchpad.net/inkscape/+question/270123
>
> Status: Open => Needs information
>
> Hachmann requested more information:
> Hi Seth,
>
> how do you blur objects?
> I usually select them, and then, in the Fill and Stroke dialog
> (Shift+Ctrl+F), move the slider (or enter a value, or use the scroll wheel).
>
> I'm not sure how you 'touch' the object while blurring it - maybe you are
> using the Tweak tool?
> Please describe your problem in more detail.
> (It would be normal that the bounding box size of an object changes when
> you blur it - but that is probably not what you mean?)
>
> If you *are* using the tweak tool:
>
> Does this happen for the other modes (for example, color change), too?
> Which Inkscape version are you using?
> Which file did you download?
> Do you have a similar behaviour with other programs on your tablet?
> Can you attach a real mouse to that thing? What happens then?
>
> Regards,
> Maren
>
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Mmh - I can't tell if this is more a driver-related problem or a problem on our side - the part about the roughening mode *not* resulting in objects being moved suggests it might be in Inkscape - but with a mouse, or graphics tablet, I never experienced this....

Could you upload your svg file somewhere, so we can confirm this does not happen using a mouse?

@~suv: Do you think this merits a bug report / feature request?

On 2015-08-09 22:41 (+0200), Hachmann wrote:
> the part about the roughening mode *not* resulting in objects being
> moved suggests it might be in Inkscape

Why should the Tweak tool's roughen mode _move_ anything? It roughens
selected paths, it does not move them (and since this feature is based
on the old livarot library, it's known to fail occasionally - see e.g.
bug #650870).

> Do you think this merits a bug report / feature request?

It this point I personally cannot tell whether filing a report is
warranted: to me the question asked here is still quite unclear - I
can't tell based on the provided information what the user attempts to
achieve, on what kind of objects, and whether it's a question about
usage, or something actually failing based on the specific hard- and
software combination Inkscape is running on, or a generic failure of
Inkscape which would reproduce on different systems as well (if we knew
what the question is about, and the 'steps to reproduce' what is
considered a bug in Inkscape).

Maybe we could get a list of 'steps to reproduce', along with a
description of the expected result, of what actually happens for the
user, as well as a test case (Inkscape SVG file) which demonstrates what
doesn't work as expected based on the steps? Or - if sharing a test case
is too complicated - maybe the user can provide instructions how to
create a minimal test case from scratch?

I apologize gentlemen. I was dealing with a errant issue with my surface
pro keyboard, not sure if its related but I had some key bindings that were
all wrong, so I reset my language on the keyboard and it corrected these
odd errors where my cursor was zipping around. What I experienced in
inkscape i believe it partly due to my inexperience with windows 8( i came
from XP just the other day...).
I didnt mean to waste your time. You guys are awesome for how immediately
interactive you were. Keep doing awesome.

Sincerely,
Seth I.

On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 5:16 PM, ~suv <email address hidden>
wrote:

> Your question #270123 on Inkscape changed:
> https://answers.launchpad.net/inkscape/+question/270123
>
> Status: Open => Answered
>
> ~suv proposed the following answer:
> On 2015-08-09 22:41 (+0200), Hachmann wrote:
> > the part about the roughening mode *not* resulting in objects being
> > moved suggests it might be in Inkscape
>
> Why should the Tweak tool's roughen mode _move_ anything? It roughens
> selected paths, it does not move them (and since this feature is based
> on the old livarot library, it's known to fail occasionally - see e.g.
> bug #650870).
>
> > Do you think this merits a bug report / feature request?
>
> It this point I personally cannot tell whether filing a report is
> warranted: to me the question asked here is still quite unclear - I
> can't tell based on the provided information what the user attempts to
> achieve, on what kind of objects, and whether it's a question about
> usage, or something actually failing based on the specific hard- and
> software combination Inkscape is running on, or a generic failure of
> Inkscape which would reproduce on different systems as well (if we knew
> what the question is about, and the 'steps to reproduce' what is
> considered a bug in Inkscape).
>
> Maybe we could get a list of 'steps to reproduce', along with a
> description of the expected result, of what actually happens for the
> user, as well as a test case (Inkscape SVG file) which demonstrates what
> doesn't work as expected based on the steps? Or - if sharing a test case
> is too complicated - maybe the user can provide instructions how to
> create a minimal test case from scratch?
>
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Hi Seth,

I'm glad you got it solved! :D

(still: we're not just guys here ;) )

@~suv: Seth was having a problem with moving objects in smudging/blur mode of tweak tool. Thanks for jumping in!

Kind regards,
 Maren

On 2015-08-10 24:01 (+0200), Hachmann wrote:
> Seth was having a problem with moving objects in smudging/blur mode
> of tweak tool.

The 'blur' mode does not move objects either (it blurs them without
changing the objects' position). Not sure which tweak tool mode
'smudging' refers to, based on the terms used in Inkscape's English
interface.