Exporting file to Estlcam is much bigger than it should be

Hi Andy,

what format are you saving to? What kind of image is inside your file? (vector/raster) Do you use an extension to export the file? Which? How do you know the size is 3.5 times more than you expect it to be (compared to what?)?

Did you notice that Estlcam, according to their website, can now also import svg directly?

Not sure if this helps:
You can reduce the file size of svg images saved with Inkscape by using 'cleanup document' before saving, saving as 'plain svg' or 'optimized Inkscape svg', reducing the precision (Edit -> Preferences -> Input/Output -> SVG Output), not using bitmap images, and not saving all transforms (Edit -> Preferences -> Behaviour -> Transforms -> optimized).

Kind regards,
 Maren

Hi this is what keeps  happening when I try to save a .dxf file?The image is object to path and vector. It only allows me to save as an svg file and then the image is not scaled properly - I know its around 3.5 times too big when i move it to estlcam because I spent all day yesterday trying to scale it down to approx the right size so I ended up multiplying the image by .283 to reduce the scale/thanksAndy For bespoke home wares made to your custom requirements for all occasions, please visit
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      From: Hachmann <email address hidden>
 To: <email address hidden>
 Sent: Monday, 25 May 2015, 19:31
 Subject: Re: [Question #267347]: Exporting file to Estlcam is much bigger than it should be

Your question #267347 on Inkscape changed:
https://answers.launchpad.net/inkscape/+question/267347

    Status: Open => Needs information

Hachmann requested more information:
Hi Andy,

what format are you saving to? What kind of image is inside your file?
(vector/raster) Do you use an extension to export the file? Which? How
do you know the size is 3.5 times more than you expect it to be
(compared to what?)?

Did you notice that Estlcam, according to their website, can now also
import svg directly?

Not sure if this helps:
You can reduce the file size of svg images saved with Inkscape by using 'cleanup document' before saving, saving as 'plain svg' or 'optimized Inkscape svg', reducing the precision (Edit -> Preferences -> Input/Output -> SVG Output), not using bitmap images, and not saving all transforms (Edit -> Preferences -> Behaviour -> Transforms -> optimized).

Kind regards,
 Maren

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Hi Andy,

Ah - so it's the scaling, not the file size ;)

What is it that happens when you try to save as .dxf ? (I think you might have included a picture, but launchpad does not support images/attachments in the answers section, so I cannot see it.)

So what I understand is that you already use the new svg import of Estlcam.
Which units does Estlcam assume? It might assume inches if you use it in English (factor doesn't fit, I know - maybe there's some additional factor involved).

What happens when you change the document units in Inkscape to inches? (via File -> Document properties -> default units)
( just to see what the result is)
And, btw., which Inkscape version do you use, and on which operating system?

Btw. here's a forum thread where your problem is mentioned (unless you're the same person ;) - then you will know that already):
http://www.shapeoko.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6138&p=47558

Regards,
 Maren

Hi thereThe scaling problems are occurring just in the svg files so I am using the .dxf files as default although inkscape does not like me saving them in any format!!! The problem is that when I save text in the dxf format it is messy and lines appear that are not like the pure text. Thanks for all of the helpAndy
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      From: Hachmann <email address hidden>
 To: <email address hidden>
 Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2015, 16:01
 Subject: Re: [Question #267347]: Exporting file to Estlcam is much bigger than it should be

Your question #267347 on Inkscape changed:
https://answers.launchpad.net/inkscape/+question/267347

    Status: Open => Needs information

Hachmann requested more information:
Hi Andy,

Ah - so it's the scaling, not the file size ;)

What is it that happens when you try to save as .dxf ? (I think you
might have included a picture, but launchpad does not support
images/attachments in the answers section, so I cannot see it.)

So what I understand is that you already use the new svg import of Estlcam.
Which units does Estlcam assume? It might assume inches if you use it in English (factor doesn't fit, I know - maybe there's some additional factor involved).

What happens when you change the document units in Inkscape to inches? (via File -> Document properties -> default units)
( just to see what the result is)
And, btw., which Inkscape version do you use, and on which operating system?

Btw. here's a forum thread where your problem is mentioned (unless you're the same person ;) - then you will know that already):
http://www.shapeoko.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6138&p=47558

Regards,
 Maren

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Hi Andy,

Okay, so the main problem is really the text in dxf and not the scaling in svg?

It would really help if you could still answer the remaining questions from my previous post, regarding the Inkscape version, the operating system, the document units you chose, ...

Did you convert all texts to path before exporting to dxf?

Maybe you are also running into this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/1429184
(see workaround in the comments)
or this one (might be a duplicate):
https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/1431941

Regards,
 Maren

Hi I am running the latest inkscape version, I have decided not to worry about the svg files at present, the big problem is the text saved in dxf has extra lines which are picked up on CAM software and then make it difficult to engrave etc. I will forward an email I sent to my CAM software provider which proves it is an Inkscape problem.Yes I convert to path before saving,thanksAndy For bespoke home wares made to your custom requirements for all occasions, please visit
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      From: Hachmann <email address hidden>
 To: <email address hidden>
 Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2015, 17:36
 Subject: Re: [Question #267347]: Exporting file to Estlcam is much bigger than it should be

Your question #267347 on Inkscape changed:
https://answers.launchpad.net/inkscape/+question/267347

    Status: Open => Needs information

Hachmann requested more information:
Hi Andy,

Okay, so the main problem is really the text in dxf and not the scaling
in svg?

It would really help if you could still answer the remaining questions
from my previous post, regarding the Inkscape version, the operating
system, the document units you chose, ...

Did you convert all texts to path before exporting to dxf?

Maybe you are also running into this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/1429184
(see workaround in the comments)
or this one (might be a duplicate):
https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/1431941

Regards,
 Maren

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 Please scroll down to see the screen shots and the problem it causesthanksAndyFor bespoke home wares made to your custom requirements for all occasions, please visit
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  From: Andy Haynes <email address hidden>
 To: Christian Knüll <email address hidden>
 Sent: Wednesday, 27 May 2015, 16:55
 Subject: Re: Estlcam License key

The inkscape version is attached if you want the estlcam version I can save and send as well?
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     From: Christian Knüll <email address hidden>
 To: Andy Haynes <email address hidden>
 Sent: Wednesday, 27 May 2015, 16:53
 Subject: Re: Estlcam License key

Hello, can you please also send me the .dxf file? Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Christian Knüll
Heidelbergerstr. 6
74746 Höpfingen
Modellbau Shop: www.epp-versand.de
CAM Software: www.estlcam.de

From: Andy Haynes Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 3:51 PMTo: Christian Knüll Subject: Re: Estlcam License key

Hi - as you can see the H,F, D (all capitals) and the y`s have lines which are picked up when you try and engrave or cut etc. For bespoke home wares made to your custom requirements for all occasions, please visit
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  From: Christian Knüll <email address hidden>
To: Andy Haynes <email address hidden>
Sent: Wednesday, 27 May 2015, 14:47
Subject: Re: Estlcam License key
 Hi Andy, have a look at the beta version 8.003 on my homepage (your license key is valid for version 8).Version 8 prompts you to select the unit of your SVG files (but it is still a very early beta version). Can you send me one of the dxf files causing trouble? Preferably with a screenshot how they should look like from the program that creates them? Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Christian Knüll
Heidelbergerstr. 6
74746 Höpfingen
Modellbau Shop: www.epp-versand.de
CAM Software: www.estlcam.de

From: Andy Haynes Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 3:31 PMTo: Christian Knüll Subject: Re: Estlcam License key Hi ChristianI have stopped using svg files as they do not convert because of the scaling issues (ie massive images compared to the original). I also have problems with text in dxf - the letters have lines on them when i look at them in estlcam so when i try to engrave them they appear on the text. Can you advise how to get rid of this otherwise this means I cannot use estlcam at all??thanksAndy For bespoke home wares made to your custom requirements for all occasions, please visit
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  From: Christian Knüll <email address hidden>
To: Andy Haynes <email address hidden>
Sent: Monday, 25 May 2015, 16:37
Subject: Re: Estlcam License key
 Hello, SVG files can be saved in different units – you may need to scale them because Estlcam assumes millimeter to be used.For SVG to work properly all elements need to be converted to path objects. (SVG support is just a few weeks old and still kind of buggy – the main format for Estlcam is DXF) Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Christian Knüll
Heidelbergerstr. 6
74746 Höpfingen
Modellbau Shop: www.epp-versand.de
CAM Software: www.estlcam.de

From: Andy Haynes Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 4:55 PMTo: <email address hidden> Subject: Re: Estlcam License key Hi ChristianMany thanks for the license key. I am having major problems with scaling when transferring from inkscape to estlcam - the image is coming across either way too big or all jumbled up? What is the proper format for me to send to estlcam - grouped? object to path? bitmap image etc as i have no idea which is working and which isnt.It seems that I can copy an image from the internet and transfer straight away to estlcam with no problems but as soon as i create something the image is too big and wont save as a dxf file in inkscape.Any help gratefully received.thanksAndy For bespoke home wares made to your custom requirements for all occasions, please visit
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  From: "<email address hidden>" <email address hidden>
To: <email address hidden>
Sent: Saturday, 23 May 2015, 5:51
Subject: Estlcam License key

Hello,

thank you for buying an Estlcam license.
Your activation code is:
Andy_Haynes_PE7_2LT_Peterborough_Cambs

Thank you!

EPP-Versand.de
Christian Knuell
Heidelbergerstr. 6
74746 Hoepfingen
Germany
<email address hidden>

Hi Andy,

thank you for your answer.
As I said previously, email attachments do not work in the launchpad answers section, scrolling down won't help :(
This is an unfortunate limitation of this platform.

Now the problem with the extra lines you now described sounds quite exactly like the bug I linked in my previous answer - this is indeed an Inkscape bug.

The link was this:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/1429184, and there is a workaround in the comments to that bug report. Add yourself to the followers of the bug report to get updates on when the fix for it will be released.

Kind regards,
 Maren