Backing up to network drive with nfs

Two questions:

What is the filesystem you are using, and second what is the OS of the
server?

Cheers,
Bart

2009/12/7 Martin Fisher <email address hidden>

> New question #93156 on Back In Time:
> https://answers.launchpad.net/backintime/+question/93156
>
> I am attempting to move my backintime (0.9.26) backup from a USB drive to a
> network drive, and have managed to do this using nfs (rather than cifs, see
> my earlier, now solved question
> https://answers.launchpad.net/backintime/+question/92657). I have a folder
> (FishNet) on the network drive mounted using this line in /etc/fstab:
>
> 192.168.1.2:/nfs/FishNet /media/FishNet nfs rw,user 0 0
>
> I have checked manually and all of the files appear to have been backed up.
> However, there are some errors (see the results below). I don't fully
> understand the errors but suspect it is related to permissions: I note that
> the permissions on the backed up files are all user = nobody, group =
> nogroup.
>
> There is a question related to this (
> https://answers.launchpad.net/backintime/+question/68938) but it suggests
> that this problem should now have been solved. Could anybody kindly shed
> some light on this (I want to sort this out before moving my backup system)?
>
> Even if permissions cannot be saved, does it matter?
>
> With thanks, Martin
> ___________________
>
> INFO: Lock
> INFO: Include folders: ['/home/martin/Stick']
> INFO: Ignore folders: []
> INFO: Last snapshots: {}
> INFO: [KDE4Plugin.Systray.run]
> INFO: [KDE4Plugin.Systray.run] begin loop
> INFO: Call rsync to take the snapshot
> rsync: chgrp
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin"
> failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> rsync: chgrp
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick"
> failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> rsync: chgrp
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/RECYCLER"
> failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> rsync: chgrp
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/RECYCLER/S-1-5-21-1482476501-1644491937-682003330-1013"
> failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> rsync: chgrp
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/RECYCLER/S-1-6-21-2434476501-1644491937-600003330-1213"
> failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> rsync: chgrp
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/.Extração
> de DNA vegetal import.pdf.8zSHyL" failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> rsync: chgrp
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/boleto_bancario.asp_arquivos"
> failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> rsync: chgrp
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/.MONOGRAFIA
> proj rev.doc.9nzW3J" failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> rsync: chgrp
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/.NTruntr.exe.WQntQI"
> failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> rsync: chgrp
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/.Pratica
> DNA.pdf.Dyw88H" failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> rsync: chgrp
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/.Produção
> de Lacase Roteiro-2005-Inês.doc.U8G6zH" failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> rsync: chgrp
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/.Questões
> relacionadas à aula de espectrofotômetria.doc.Xx0CbH" failed: Operation not
> permitted (1)
> rsync: chgrp
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/.autorun.inf.eDmk3G"
> failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> rsync: chgrp
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/.boleto_bancario.asp.htm.rAJNZG"
> failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> rsync: chgrp
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/.scan_for_Malu.pdf.AOVZ4G"
> failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> rsync: chgrp
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/RECYCLER/S-1-5-21-1482476501-1644491937-682003330-1013/.Desktop.ini.z5T54H"
> failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> rsync: chgrp
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/RECYCLER/S-1-5-21-1482476501-1644491937-682003330-1013/.lsass.exe.K8eK9I"
> failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> rsync: chgrp
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/RECYCLER/S-1-6-21-2434476501-1644491937-600003330-1213/.Desktop.ini.dbCAmK"
> failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> rsync: chgrp
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/RECYCLER/S-1-6-21-2434476501-1644491937-600003330-1213/.usbhelp.exe.4ZIZFL"
> failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> rsync: chgrp
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/boleto_bancario.asp_arquivos/.Boleto.css.pEY9mN"
> failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> rsync: chgrp
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/boleto_bancario.asp_arquivos/.cortar.gif.SIl18O"
> failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> rsync: chgrp
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/boleto_bancario.asp_arquivos/.novo_hsbc.jpg.zgiz0Q"
> failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> rsync: chgrp
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/boleto_bancario.asp_arquivos/.webcode.gif.Cv6eXS"
> failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors)
> (code 23) at main.c(1057) [sender=3.0.6]
> WARNING: Command "rsync -aEAX -v --delete-excluded --chmod=Fa-w,D+w
> --whole-file --delete --exclude="/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin"
> --exclude="/home/martin/.local/share/backintime"
> --include="/home/martin/Stick/" --include="/home/martin/" --include="/home/"
> --exclude="*.backup*" --exclude="*~" --exclude="*.gvfs"
> --include="/home/martin/Stick/**" --exclude="*" /
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/"" returns 5888
> INFO: Save permissions
> INFO: Remove backups older than: 19991207-000000
> INFO: [smart remove] There is only one snapshots, so keep it
> INFO: Keep min free disk space: 1024 Mb
> INFO: [KDE4Plugin.Systray.run] end loop
> INFO: Unlock
>
>
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Ah, NFS is the Network File System for Unix systems. So most probably some
kind of an embedded linux system is the OS.
The partition type is probably harder to discover, but I guess if you can
run NFS, it is most probably ext3.
But is harder to configure...
Is there any place you can choose for a user and or group in the webadmin
for NFS?

Cheers,
Bart

2009/12/7 Bart de Koning <email address hidden>

> Question #93156 on Back In Time changed:
> https://answers.launchpad.net/backintime/+question/93156
>
> Status: Open => Answered
>
> Bart de Koning proposed the following answer:
> Two questions:
>
> What is the filesystem you are using, and second what is the OS of the
> server?
>
> Cheers,
> Bart
>
> 2009/12/7 Martin Fisher <email address hidden>
>
> > New question #93156 on Back In Time:
> > https://answers.launchpad.net/backintime/+question/93156
> >
> > I am attempting to move my backintime (0.9.26) backup from a USB drive to
> a
> > network drive, and have managed to do this using nfs (rather than cifs,
> see
> > my earlier, now solved question
> > https://answers.launchpad.net/backintime/+question/92657). I have a
> folder
> > (FishNet) on the network drive mounted using this line in /etc/fstab:
> >
> > 192.168.1.2:/nfs/FishNet /media/FishNet nfs rw,user 0 0
> >
> > I have checked manually and all of the files appear to have been backed
> up.
> > However, there are some errors (see the results below). I don't fully
> > understand the errors but suspect it is related to permissions: I note
> that
> > the permissions on the backed up files are all user = nobody, group =
> > nogroup.
> >
> > There is a question related to this (
> > https://answers.launchpad.net/backintime/+question/68938) but it
> suggests
> > that this problem should now have been solved. Could anybody kindly shed
> > some light on this (I want to sort this out before moving my backup
> system)?
> >
> > Even if permissions cannot be saved, does it matter?
> >
> > With thanks, Martin
> > ___________________
> >
> > INFO: Lock
> > INFO: Include folders: ['/home/martin/Stick']
> > INFO: Ignore folders: []
> > INFO: Last snapshots: {}
> > INFO: [KDE4Plugin.Systray.run]
> > INFO: [KDE4Plugin.Systray.run] begin loop
> > INFO: Call rsync to take the snapshot
> > rsync: chgrp
> > "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin"
> > failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> > rsync: chgrp
> >
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick"
> > failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> > rsync: chgrp
> >
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/RECYCLER"
> > failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> > rsync: chgrp
> >
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/RECYCLER/S-1-5-21-1482476501-1644491937-682003330-1013"
> > failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> > rsync: chgrp
> >
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/RECYCLER/S-1-6-21-2434476501-1644491937-600003330-1213"
> > failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> > rsync: chgrp
> >
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/.Extração
> > de DNA vegetal import.pdf.8zSHyL" failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> > rsync: chgrp
> >
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/boleto_bancario.asp_arquivos"
> > failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> > rsync: chgrp
> >
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/.MONOGRAFIA
> > proj rev.doc.9nzW3J" failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> > rsync: chgrp
> >
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/.NTruntr.exe.WQntQI"
> > failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> > rsync: chgrp
> >
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/.Pratica
> > DNA.pdf.Dyw88H" failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> > rsync: chgrp
> >
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/.Produção
> > de Lacase Roteiro-2005-Inês.doc.U8G6zH" failed: Operation not permitted
> (1)
> > rsync: chgrp
> >
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/.Questões
> > relacionadas à aula de espectrofotômetria.doc.Xx0CbH" failed: Operation
> not
> > permitted (1)
> > rsync: chgrp
> >
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/.autorun.inf.eDmk3G"
> > failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> > rsync: chgrp
> >
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/.boleto_bancario.asp.htm.rAJNZG"
> > failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> > rsync: chgrp
> >
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/.scan_for_Malu.pdf.AOVZ4G"
> > failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> > rsync: chgrp
> >
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/RECYCLER/S-1-5-21-1482476501-1644491937-682003330-1013/.Desktop.ini.z5T54H"
> > failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> > rsync: chgrp
> >
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/RECYCLER/S-1-5-21-1482476501-1644491937-682003330-1013/.lsass.exe.K8eK9I"
> > failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> > rsync: chgrp
> >
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/RECYCLER/S-1-6-21-2434476501-1644491937-600003330-1213/.Desktop.ini.dbCAmK"
> > failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> > rsync: chgrp
> >
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/RECYCLER/S-1-6-21-2434476501-1644491937-600003330-1213/.usbhelp.exe.4ZIZFL"
> > failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> > rsync: chgrp
> >
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/boleto_bancario.asp_arquivos/.Boleto.css.pEY9mN"
> > failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> > rsync: chgrp
> >
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/boleto_bancario.asp_arquivos/.cortar.gif.SIl18O"
> > failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> > rsync: chgrp
> >
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/boleto_bancario.asp_arquivos/.novo_hsbc.jpg.zgiz0Q"
> > failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> > rsync: chgrp
> >
> "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Stick/boleto_bancario.asp_arquivos/.webcode.gif.Cv6eXS"
> > failed: Operation not permitted (1)
> > rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors)
> > (code 23) at main.c(1057) [sender=3.0.6]
> > WARNING: Command "rsync -aEAX -v --delete-excluded --chmod=Fa-w,D+w
> > --whole-file --delete --exclude="/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin"
> > --exclude="/home/martin/.local/share/backintime"
> > --include="/home/martin/Stick/" --include="/home/martin/"
> --include="/home/"
> > --exclude="*.backup*" --exclude="*~" --exclude="*.gvfs"
> > --include="/home/martin/Stick/**" --exclude="*" /
> > "/media/FishNet/BIT_Martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/"" returns 5888
> > INFO: Save permissions
> > INFO: Remove backups older than: 19991207-000000
> > INFO: [smart remove] There is only one snapshots, so keep it
> > INFO: Keep min free disk space: 1024 Mb
> > INFO: [KDE4Plugin.Systray.run] end loop
> > INFO: Unlock
> >
> >
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Yes, it is some sort of embedded linux system. I thought I read somwhere that the format is ntfs but I may be wrong and now I cannot find the link.

Anyway, yes (after a bit of digging around) I can choose user and/or group and I can create users and groups (and assign administration rights, enable/disbable cifs, ftp, nfs and afp, and create a private share for the user). Are you thinking that I could set up group martin, user martin and then run my backups to the private share for that user?

Tchau, Martin

Well I think you could start by trying to do that. However using BiT over a
network and especially on a NAS with a embedded system is not yet
implemented. So I might be able to help you a bit, but you are a bit on your
own setting this up.

Your experience could be very valuable so if would post your progress here
(and possible problems) that would be very welcome.

2009/12/7 Martin Fisher <email address hidden>

> Question #93156 on Back In Time changed:
> https://answers.launchpad.net/backintime/+question/93156
>
> Status: Answered => Open
>
> Martin Fisher is still having a problem:
> Yes, it is some sort of embedded linux system. I thought I read somwhere
> that the format is ntfs but I may be wrong and now I cannot find the
> link.
>
> Anyway, yes (after a bit of digging around) I can choose user and/or
> group and I can create users and groups (and assign administration
> rights, enable/disbable cifs, ftp, nfs and afp, and create a private
> share for the user). Are you thinking that I could set up group martin,
> user martin and then run my backups to the private share for that user?
>
> Tchau, Martin
>
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Hi Bart

I can report that I have created a private share on the drive (with name and group the same as that of my laptop) and can back up to it... but the same errors occur (see extract below). Do you have any further ideas that I could try at this stage?

With thanks! Martin

rsync: chgrp "/media/martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Desktop/malutemp/Desktop/UP_screensaver_dug_PC.exe/.UP_screensaver_dug_PC.exe.QX6hph" failed: Operation not permitted (1)
rsync: chgrp "/media/martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Desktop/malutemp/Documents/.BIOQ ECOLO DISCPLINA.odt.lFF7Cb" failed: Operation not permitted (1)
rsync: chgrp "/media/martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/home/martin/Desktop/malutemp/Documents/.origami.pdf.atOqW5" failed: Operation not permitted (1)
rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1057) [sender=3.0.6]
WARNING: Command "rsync -aEAX -v --delete-excluded --chmod=Fa-w,D+w --whole-file --delete --exclude="/media/martin" --exclude="/home/martin/.local/share/backintime" --include="/home/martin/Desktop/" --include="/home/martin/" --include="/home/" --exclude="*.backup*" --exclude="*~" --exclude="*.gvfs" --include="/home/martin/Desktop/**" --exclude="*" / "/media/martin/backintime/new_snapshot/backup/"" returns 5888
INFO: Save permissions

Don't bother about chgrp/attr errors.
This happens because rsync tries to transfer the file with it's user/group/rights. Not all file systems support this. BIT saves this information into a special file so it can restore it.

Thanks.

I have now run a test backup and restore to/from the nfs networkd drive (mounted as indicated earlier by the fstab line 192.168.1.2:/nfs/FishNet /media/FishNet nfs rw,user 0 0) and all seems to be well. I am therefore marking this as solved (unless anybody has any queries or wants me to try anything out).

Martin